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JINtercession

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Sooooo guys....
In the face of the Seungri crime I just looked him up.
You probably already knew this but do you know what his stage name means?
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Victory! you know who else's stage name means victory and is also acronymized to something beginning with "V'? bingo! TAEHYUNG
who else is born in December?...TAEHYUNG.
TAE
yang means sun
I did a little research and... It is odd that Seungri called his pub "Burning Sun" when the sun does not actually physically burn fire to run because fire requires oxygen but the sun uses nuclear, not chemical reactions called fusion to keep going... so how can the sun... burn?
Well, idiomatically speaking, we say the sun rises when it doesn't really and the sun BURNS us when it is not fire...
If somebody is sensitive to the sun and burns easily and severely they may have polymorphous light eruption.
which in Korean is daHYUNGsunggwangsungbaljin
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The "sun" only truly 'burns' those who are vulnerable and unprotected.
 

Cocomj

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Hi guys idk if it's been a while or not i hope you are all doing good :)

I needed to talk here to do an update :

Deleted Amino,Not watching any drama or listening to any songs (except hawaiian songs sometimes but otherwise only songs like psalms who praise God )

I won't talk on the subject abt mj cause as i said it i'm done with HellaWierd and these are things of my past only
(Yes despite my usernane might say lol i'm just too lazy to change it )

I've seen all the vaccines,abortions and many other subjects and i won't answer on that cuz :'(

Abt B+s it hasn't changed i haven't listened or looked at anything related to them since i left this thread for good (i come time to time for updates on how you are all doing while skipping the posts focused on them
And to talk but i have to keep some stuff private now ) (dm me on insta or fb if you want to talk tho )

Psalm 112. And the desire of the wicked shall perish

Sums it up pretty good ^


I'm sorry for the off topic (i'm amazed the thread is still going on :0)

My mom is watching the movie called Lucy y'all idk what to do anymore ;-;

(I told her to go upstairs bc i was seeing all the wrong in that movie and also it's violent and since i've dealt with abuse and trauma in childhood it put me in a panic attack :/)


I'll be veeery busy as of soon so idk if i'll ever come back or if this thread will still exist

Goodbye everyone
God Bless you all :)
 

gisellex

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mean

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guys, i have a idea to stop a bit kpop.
Does any of you know how to hack a website? Or have a friend/ acquitance who know to do it?
Please help me, i already tried but didn't suceed, computer isn't my strong point :')
 

rottielover

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Is b*s forced to do this Illuminati stuff or they are willing to do it?
this is all speculations, but if you read all the posts here in this thread from the very beginning and read VC's articles and research, you can't deny the symbolism they put out there are very clear. it could be since they're under contract of a company they have to follow what they are told to do (the music industry is not an innocent one unfortunately) but at the same time they also willingly chose to re-new their contracts for another 7 years which means they know what they're getting themselves into. so who knows?
 

Susu.mochi

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Okay, I know I was not gonna come back because I have other things to do and have had enough of Kpop, but as Christians we have to help bring truth, so im back but whatever. SO I watched the map of the soul, and to my surprise there was kinda like a Bible mention in it. HE was kinda like going against it. Okay so the verse that im talking about in the song, is when he says you don't have to be either hot or cold. Now their is a Bible verse in the Bible its in the book of revelation and it says because you where neither hot nor cold I spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. So that was very interesting. You guys im 95% sure BTS are attacking Christians now, like Whooaa!! And all the fans in the comments are all brainwashed and just... pretty dumb overall. Anyways God bless you guys.
 

Christina D.

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Okay, I know I was not gonna come back because I have other things to do and have had enough of Kpop, but as Christians we have to help bring truth, so im back but whatever. SO I watched the map of the soul, and to my surprise there was kinda like a Bible mention in it. HE was kinda like going against it. Okay so the verse that im talking about in the song, is when he says you don't have to be either hot or cold. Now their is a Bible verse in the Bible its in the book of revelation and it says because you where neither hot nor cold I spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. So that was very interesting. You guys im 95% sure BTS are attacking Christians now, like Whooaa!! And all the fans in the comments are all brainwashed and just... pretty dumb overall. Anyways God bless you guys.
"Okay, I know I was not gonna come back because I have other things to do and have had enough of Kpop, but as Christians we have to help bring truth, so im back but whatever." Same, a mood

Oh man, I feel like they were attacking Christians from the beginning by just following opposing satanic ideology, they're just continuing it in a more "in your face" way. We've seen it concept wise through the running 'do what thou wilt' theme, the whole blasphemous WINGS era, LY era, etc. I think it's shifting over to targeting specific truth now like you mentioned through twisting scripture. Instead of promoting their own 'ideas' they're now also directly attacking scripture for the purpose of discrediting. Still haven't watched the trailer, the screenshots did it for me :/
God bless!
 

Christina D.

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Hi guys idk if it's been a while or not i hope you are all doing good :)

I needed to talk here to do an update :

Deleted Amino,Not watching any drama or listening to any songs (except hawaiian songs sometimes but otherwise only songs like psalms who praise God )

I won't talk on the subject abt mj cause as i said it i'm done with HellaWierd and these are things of my past only
(Yes despite my usernane might say lol i'm just too lazy to change it )

I've seen all the vaccines,abortions and many other subjects and i won't answer on that cuz :'(

Abt B+s it hasn't changed i haven't listened or looked at anything related to them since i left this thread for good (i come time to time for updates on how you are all doing while skipping the posts focused on them
And to talk but i have to keep some stuff private now ) (dm me on insta or fb if you want to talk tho )

Psalm 112. And the desire of the wicked shall perish

Sums it up pretty good ^


I'm sorry for the off topic (i'm amazed the thread is still going on :0)

My mom is watching the movie called Lucy y'all idk what to do anymore ;-;

(I told her to go upstairs bc i was seeing all the wrong in that movie and also it's violent and since i've dealt with abuse and trauma in childhood it put me in a panic attack :/)


I'll be veeery busy as of soon so idk if i'll ever come back or if this thread will still exist

Goodbye everyone
God Bless you all :)
Good to hear you're steering clear of anything related to them!

Off-topic but be careful of what movies are being played, many of them have demonic entities attached. By watching or even playing it, it is an invitation for those spirits to enter your house and stay. Especially the 'Lucy' film, it's propaganda for Satan. You should pray for protection against it :) God Bless!
 
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Just wat to say something related to what someone posted long ago here.
"Rap Monster replies, “We felt that there were a lot of similarities between parts of ‘Demian’ and the things we wanted to say. So we used a lot of objects and elements from ‘Demian’ in our jacket photos and music video.”
Shim Yeon Hee narrates that in addition to their fans, the members said that they’ve also read the book to understand the themes. Suga admits, “I didn’t enjoy the book [at first], but when I read it again I really liked it.”
So, i think they know what they concept is about or at least only in a superficial way (or they are lying).
 

wow

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Just wat to say something related to what someone posted long ago here.
"Rap Monster replies, “We felt that there were a lot of similarities between parts of ‘Demian’ and the things we wanted to say. So we used a lot of objects and elements from ‘Demian’ in our jacket photos and music video.”
Shim Yeon Hee narrates that in addition to their fans, the members said that they’ve also read the book to understand the themes. Suga admits, “I didn’t enjoy the book [at first], but when I read it again I really liked it.”
So, i think they know what they concept is about or at least only in a superficial way (or they are lying).
of course they know what their concepts are about, theyre not that dumb and ignorant to not notice since they know a lot more about these stuff more than us and they know what is happening behind the curtains, theyre just brainwashed to think that what theyre doing is good, or they know that theyre doing a bad thing and just accept it or feel bad about it, but move on anyways.
 

wow

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this is rm's necklace, lately i have seen him wearing a lot of eerie necklaces and they have some sort of crystal or jewel attached to them, and it has been discussed in this thread that crystals has so many meanings to the occult and witchcraft, so maybe he uses necklaces for some weird ritual or something, i dont know, his necklaces are eerie.
 
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Okay that last set of photos is eerily pedophilic..... which is just bizarre since everyone in the group is very much an adult male, yet their clothing and posture and camera angles make them appear younger, smaller, and innocent. Jimin with the grapes and his head angled up like that about to put the grapes in his mouth ..... I don’t even want to say what that looks like.
Whatever y’all do, don’t get fooled by these “innocent” teasers and think the MV will be safe to watch. SERIOUSLY. PLEASE. Don’t be gullible and give into their tricks. These are full-grown adult men. They know what they’re doing. If you watch this MV, you’re playing right into their hands.
 

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Reverse Image Search for all the pictures:

JK grapes: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuOEDXqZNsJbhx3s-X-cUVDe6fbHz2QgxlA5uM2nILHO_12BarOaME6MSCBHRZ1ZKbhLJ-aYt1rnZBsFkGCWzbCzeI9QLzQSn0_1tYo-fe3FHctRqC8-_1XFdZLD-y-mtQ8sJFSlyhnRXqKR2pxbCjLTc7V3CNX4UnE9sW9VO69T_1Nl_1CO9qr4Lie9CFpFTnHzlOBXwvflA6mhphqSZDbDov-lcyJouypY3E0IyNy6kklPWuj-8z45Z5vZ69pmmXOu9KdKCGYXNTBUy_1HxvBW6CM0rHUqQtpERPTrR81YIyd1l7khAfyo6vLyM0MvrBhXGHMvIYCTColNQRZWZ8CIyYOxlPpdwVQ&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
V grapes: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=s...VrlMa8b7EH0CJKvTBA&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
AgtD grapes: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiu9mN168Nrv50IVjd-7VcasMQ-cWj5YXzeaKdZVp7lytcUjBcBrbUE6NGbdb8Y2Mvv3OH4sXyGFfNbnqUEb8Ehj9dK5NlUWwKrO1TmuOierRTR5-F1U69yBwTUWj2J1OYOXyADM1F99KxRRNZ5Qgh4JudjRlHbZeGxDDs5eLWx1y-Y57sk1OlZ5CWfhxI7oS1JNe7d5idb8sNyIUYu7k4qRj1GRMA4lXVTmdBrng1GWkkov7NTvSk7659Ym6j-3d0r62ovfo2YKKQQ3UfObtL6Z_1cX4nZhG7SNSE7zimPQBikd2_1qzSeap3YTCLZZD3MADpsAbGzzwh5Rgb8MoDO-MwXMJ4Bg&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
group picture (comes up with right answer but I'm including it to show that i'm not making these up): https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiu9mN168Nrv50IVjd-7VcasMQ-cWj5YXzeaKdZVp7lytcUjBcBrbUE6NGbdb8Y2Mvv3OH4sXyGFfNbnqUEb8Ehj9dK5NlUWwKrO1TmuOierRTR5-F1U69yBwTUWj2J1OYOXyADM1F99KxRRNZ5Qgh4JudjRlHbZeGxDDs5eLWx1y-Y57sk1OlZ5CWfhxI7oS1JNe7d5idb8sNyIUYu7k4qRj1GRMA4lXVTmdBrng1GWkkov7NTvSk7659Ym6j-3d0r62ovfo2YKKQQ3UfObtL6Z_1cX4nZhG7SNSE7zimPQBikd2_1qzSeap3YTCLZZD3MADpsAbGzzwh5Rgb8MoDO-MwXMJ4Bg&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
closeup of RM from group picture: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZit9yJDp5E3pwkWq7RJvA3TyWqwGRgxJNMvivgEm3dRdWqRcVzPmy0GeaK0Y9ILaPCrMPmTS_1wcV2Ofvk_16xMuUelhSD72QVxaMHKemQl3FH2KL3GAtJXDpfoVMAlyKso5yw2E_1wvakGOd346n1tZC5gzwpyy3zEzg0-61M07pfT21m5Yqca8Du5ewb908lQlDcu6yMIOCGX7vXGtTO1sQWsZ1DSKDuH_1s3fUkHIOudXYBztSM5c4FzIAH5RggqU4NzYhSnys9P-JeCL6mPckOG4wDIlVb5TU7ueD3fvVCt0LPnkTV46PnGEXryWQ3Axe7DNo05UbGSpNLDJD6Jxx-Fe6iBUgQ&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
closeup of JH and jin (again it's correct -i'm including again to show that the others weren't faked -you can reverse search yourself if you want to double-check): https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZivZzS5uQGFdRTnFmsVYn5Ym2jYscdQ8Eb36x0mm5c2cNX8EYgvKHR21L09MVLs95yMYunBAxa7ztMNBc0NpZNdkkPLpy6cogT5HcAE_12PWgzXbXQMZ8h27uHNp5YR206SIjDfO0nDOypChzQSeU0lYBsmfyQN0VO6lDKXFXXtUxgood_1oEdNwyoNQpXEphPu9aW1UitDRW9JCtMkSiOeeqdd-cWNuuHLWu3GuaMcRhq1F-S8-lgAo9u_1eEGfIW9F3g9L8YUL6Ay30-zwdbk6szQR7L2Ok57tewOlhEJgifCnowyHXiNo_1Wb2vb37v7PUXaYuMk6tnKVmcG-w2xnYc9KAc6k3w&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
RM grapes: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitajDAyCeOH4OMliBrNVqjKcMz2F9q-a9uGiEkrZmtuqJRvfU-wFI0UvEvpSJ-6gaB2ZfD5pDSfzfT1dqVnIemHMOHoHfqFlV4x_1rHmNXnv4kx5FKbWYYATxzbJf5ievyxdG9V5ZU7JUx7j_1NIksNrmZBA3xyVaX-xOVCPNhvNxNNXU9HkXL0rjq8RDXHrTxSrB_1_1qPYYSoTGT-PlxWbsRaZiN0TNZ2OfTz4vF5v7gcijY1zsloAG3YK3lhQpWK7SvtMqw-3b-fYmi5NkDsha8-2NXm0-XqDVytACalcgjFtkPToEzG2GJizetDs-iNEXFPDDB1xBZ7Rf5qxBRmIKMkphkLwg&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
Jin grapes: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZivevR4TRgF8kzi2wchNkubDHQdjhU9OYFNz1qZ_1IQ70Hbf1OxmcIpKkRnoS4rbUOOEVXiGtJvpfhDhBYO-gd_1_1IKihorEJm5RdybgObiaCNjhWXn3kB5eA9b1ibctNT5qGENpNpBuORqzaRRFMLF9u_1al1DSjs-CIc9w5wdrU-NMc59G6wkiBFfm1y0OOsT6fyXCtVwcyXXPzj8T5JpglLj0ovfthcEF1ekgLa-n0wBtVmE0OvbDZlHfak5rOLVAzjmB4F1T1F1mJ0cd1_153CnFVM03RXkKoxRGHnOgpdcrzmk8mgD9S0YVPvcYXx5ZuLmN9lx7RTxwkBLmp_1BdzaH1krXbRA&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
JH grapes: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitWPtJWBz_1pjgneDqjfS-DInzWqi5Gct4bWfGpSykp3r_1in3g0HTB0O_1hI5gojyixTR9ci_1Ikzks4K1kKXVOXeeURg7Y9WnbAuR-TnFqSQNqttMvJhg8aH68jvzfbscgrRykzQ5rXQWPsGmLJOsbo9IfmFYZixHJyPZSKj7xuoIodBX8MVKFja6niatPSbZcKMu6OiBuQAW2NrIOKRtlp1-IyCgp93IrLBLu6citTjlgqpIiAwRGCGQFLho_1et8g2GFY9NtNZts88LIksqB1QDmnR-ifqsD-hzrFgtTQzmItMwqPWBg4Pvb5lQ2MIrLTZFqWVlireaOZq71-XfrTYs-V4VVQw&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
JM grapes: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZivXVF5Uf9vTB8ay9pjiZXQe0tX1er23ixajkwX4vf9b2vE_1Uw8TCykzaOPYaARNzP6yveCWKkz3YkKitaEbu8NNWkUyTQcVPD9NgM10kIOCThkl5TJBqLFZYndVyXUr6cWU0A1IKoDgYostQ3KTDL8z03qV1EruUuax3jScygAEWNa20jlwVcEslyxSNvb3XR-mAqKejJ1Ol0tJv3RgULdl4d6ttn6zZH0L4uxR3hf_1HCXtgSZFuUPEgYhIGn3z3BLXTjUcCw3szFmeG7Sd864GBGmKZwT92JzhzdJkvYovEpdKIUT48ky9jIaLykNs9sfjj-3TDNlugtglw_1x-Pru4Dlcdow&hl=en

RM rose: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZithvlyQkzqZKIuDeo72yg-83dR2MfbjDT5AXdmi-h17yakrmzvC77Pw5UI824wlzq8iA9mZVU-aAp5n4rOb5MtoPC7av0UBciDxd3mv0FfP1RMwy9DyCpH_1TvlXta8xL9V3vQnw5xMNhmLe5h4dm5w_1VUrIIWImHo96vjDDhP12WQ35UmqNhmLGNAZM3vJ7VesTMdxiKiTS1DyWPhaxO9ObxB29fqFdbjoD1SVvA760UcykYmCQSRuEUVaFW9LZOByq-fnjjEKKrmvTjFn88cQ2zkg7r6qipzBPiAwUemMFj8AUvzcjmy_130nTzdBT_1UJkz6Bgg_1ezNGMJ-cVFmLw_1FRsP3Cg&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
Jin rose: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiv6KXclIhhbgsc1jSBKNLNugEnHk-EDuIBHjpnDHIoy0L8CFmve9BVd7l4w4dwgtKm3E4jPDg4fgz7FhmMbw6evKgk77FllPkqN_141l6HkOqZKr276QS2gJZKigsT5Q5_1-TPXJcfVbPwXq1ENPpERUoqgYeHRMm3Oo5WFU-jTiLGNnNKJFYiLrPWwYRwINpceug9c6xvcD6rpm5V_1eMZUfnxbi_1dvJsRpiZ535lMn3WQFiOZ3JiYek9Q9mhtpWWpDvsaKgo_1jNXDbsO7yYNfBU24ESu4CHlm0k_1wg0ECyPnk3NNKDa224QeADxZbMMscahEpUzGGzOdp0YBYsR2lgfON-MyWw&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
JH rose: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitQmkuXrEB8tIDiKQTmFmOkigA0ilTVqlLIs79-yP31mWdVXvY26XdwiydAY4Ts8yi_1xqIyJc_1VB4xLCso5tIjygsaTkt7cIH2YjLyeYiYeewI9v5bkYR0uBinN986u9jr7DElT8NxZoc4xqJYDFP5pwuvaoyi3dvRiWeZfmdcWBqL3XNZdBVXA34CX1Eux9rrI1K0G-QS0JW-1s6l53v7S1C7TVGH1imloO1iZrABD-qy1ie70-0HlBq5rWrKjuMI5zUNcxpK-3gDnHo4Occpqj9dcW0O034MyxCGSErxQuH_18znBLNreWrJMqrtdDI4EO-i1iAA7fU-PqMS66ib_1WnpwuPA&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
JM rose: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitlwRfWT-6c2vU2SHR11BvN0uWyLbZ6z89K3hmtscSaqTmtO6pktibqOE0wqjUUK2SGijdHJ_1MyWzbwjJBP-O5537KjFj6KutQbpbT7jAvAnWK3HstjoxroAlHie5B-i2aBNTcqbYvR4_1RY8BoCUh0qyDhiq07W1WGq3b81ZZBZPQBl3LdTqhButnMqgmiuEib4yVJ_1grgkKn9i6v_19aq76PEM8z96PwG8goZ-C_1ekYaeTsv4xu4ZeNUqcvVMS0WcHEN8MSXwUPMjc5uMnV_1hwU3SKX8IRJXlRJmatRtbPtERyplrcEkQYsInMpaahI6Jr77WYAzz0HFV3XdRy09VATl72sYQ&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
V rose: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisnZUNqDaHH2iPCfu4FapBiIPMyh9WwX3PtKOXOilrp1z_1yx2tXGW61PSo60LAkqtWXrCpFoArJ2On3g-3wvCZx1LKHdmLoi0aPfX3n6rJ0FRhXdD5_1TptCaLM2Bdee4VprhUdkF2wOxrsXjxLZsHXWNChVayw3HSPMoWqzGZMRghD40OH4ZPNBjtiEB5Vwu7f5ju-ek7keGdRNvmy-UyV-tHbqWj-M3wy8KbGNKVTmeT1Rhpk7tEQpm4RCDQVtumNW_1S1AJif5EZptKuE2XYfOSW_1QSTHwq7LaZJPeC7ec1hw5Cyheb-Gni97Wza8HFc1sK_1ufjreDZadRcIGaUgsl7lE8_1Q&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
AgtD rose: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiswpgfh-IQdN6ufgqNg-bATjZ0FkAZouHogxhrpwqerjtYQlIh_1F_1OhQnTdY4ka_1eW6k5Yl8h5jkz6aOy4kKrfVpxXlWUdBli3-XS2ifRgjFrZf81kdfUO3gyq_1BGv9PKARV_1uQrUfVgBv50tQcrR9KuZnWqT9cshGAbr6dtza-sR9Sw4h9EmbJP63LEmQUFCcHS2hLoqLk2L40NDvlq4Jn-A2nALk7sIR6CCzJm6AF9O2ZC3DSajevBm8f4aXxVC3hO2Fcp1011d8O52bl3ubf4csFKTfK6lEClYMJ9gTBbLW8MeP2lqHdmkwhYxdnfirYweneOlSB5js8VQhnby5QU9ezeg&btnG=Search by image&hl=en
JK rose: https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitZR2hu-JGSjRM_1PN0taegfLSNRWQNferkkztrVnVUkRDUejQsUq9Jo45GpEmJNlbNn1fAWCYpPFu0fBMsD-5yaH1W2hZpkdj0hZxsrON0eBTrIb5COuDTgQA5apquyyXcbHmVXEXuHTNiIvyATgwQ9UY_1p_1lDnajA2-FWkC2Lq-JTUJtmvF9YZSavnjYKX2d7amu4NOcPjAT7NofUK5rjldx0knvHRErmK40RKOSdsxBn2vrqu7YuW5IWJkOWROkZnM3TCVigaJ0xyMd9OLlCm0xXA5s8JvMxL4QOoFnhDEHXxsWwTReumyDbtfeLieT_1KAC4EDRHQFpO1mGhEKqxw1mcAnQ&btnG=Search by image&hl=en



All this to say that reverse image search is not always your best friend. Unless you're also able to search something super specific (say if I'd reverse image search my own selfie along with my real name and could find sites where it was posted), the results are usually too vague to base anything on.
I reverse searched RM's pendant from an earlier post, and all Google came up with was "locket." So.... not very specific, not correct, and not helpful.
 
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