END TIMES - A thread for all christians

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Whaaaa? This is possible now?

And yeah, another who doesnt believe in the pre trib here. The bible says we have to count on losing our lifes for christ and consiedering this, I count on being beheaded for my believe because I WILL refuse to give up on my believe (my believe doesnt hurt anyone) and take the chip.

Also you guys know that we're not supposed to have homosexuals amongst us, right? It's like being friends with a criminal and to not tell them what theyre doing is wrong. I refer to Corinthians 5:9 -13

"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

So it means its okay to socialize with them in order to tell them about the gospel but not otherwise.

Sorry.. :/ I've hung around sinners myself but it only led to problems for me.
This has to be one of the best comments ever on youtube:

"No, if I miss the rapture, it is no ones fault but my own. If, God wiling, I do not bow down and take the mark then my only chance for eternal salvation at that point, is to be beheaded. But if I could not do what was right when the Spirit of God was prodding and goading me, what makes me think I will do so in the Tribulation. And that is what we are really talking about. When will we quit being false prophets and take our Bibles as Truth. I don't have to make anything up. The Truth glares at us thru Blood stained pages of our Bibles. But yet we cling to this world instead of the old rugged Cross. Let us humble ourselves, bow our knees to a Heavenly Savior, go back to our FIRST LOVE. What is that? It is very clear Rev 2:5 REMEMBER from whence thou art fallen and REPENT and do the first works.... Quit blaming every body for our backslide condition. Remember and admit, I AM A BACKSLIDER..I am guilty..Lord Jesus Save me all over again. Cover me, body soul spirit and will in your precious Blood. Keep me! Let your rod and staff chastise me, correct me, instruct me and protect my walk. Create in me a clean heart. Let me see only my sin. Let me see only my guilt. Show me where I have backed away from you and taken on other lovers. Please help me to know only you and walk by the light of your Word. Instruct me day by day, moment by moment. And my dear Savior, if today be the day of the calling away of your saints, my dear Jesus , open my ears to hear the sound of your trumpet and the shout of the calling of my name. What ever it takes, engrave in my heart a new desire and new zeal and new love to walk in your presence. Fill me with the Fire of the Holy Ghost and let that fire burn with in my being to burn away the wood hay and stubble that fills my heart and blurrs my vision. Wash me in the Waters of your Name. I Thank you I praise you I bless you and I glorify your Name and Your Blood. You are my all in all. Save me inwardly to the uttermost. COME LORD JESUS COME This world is NOT my home nor is it my Kingdom. I am a pilgrim and s sojourner. Clean out my eyes. Wash away the idolatry that blinds my vision for I fear I perish if I can not see only you. SAVE ME KEEP ME Help me to find my refuge in your Blood, Come Lord Jesus Come" - Amen


I don't know how Christians who believe in a pre-trib rapture support the idea. Jesus said AFTER the tribulation of those days.. not before it (the tribulation) happens.. So Rapture, yes.. (and it is known as The Reaping of the earth), but just not pre-tribulation:

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew)

The only way that anyone is going to be saved is if they are fighting for God and His Laws (instead of fighting against Him and His Laws). Fighting for the Truth, and speaking the Truth to others is also fighting for God.
 
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This has to be one of the best comments ever on youtube:

"No, if I miss the rapture, it is no ones fault but my own. If, God wiling, I do not bow down and take the mark then my only chance for eternal salvation at that point, is to be beheaded. But if I could not do what was right when the Spirit of God was prodding and goading me, what makes me think I will do so in the Tribulation. And that is what we are really talking about. When will we quit being false prophets and take our Bibles as Truth. I don't have to make anything up. The Truth glares at us thru Blood stained pages of our Bibles. But yet we cling to this world instead of the old rugged Cross. Let us humble ourselves, bow our knees to a Heavenly Savior, go back to our FIRST LOVE. What is that? It is very clear Rev 2:5 REMEMBER from whence thou art fallen and REPENT and do the first works.... Quit blaming every body for our backslide condition. Remember and admit, I AM A BACKSLIDER..I am guilty..Lord Jesus Save me all over again. Cover me, body soul spirit and will in your precious Blood. Keep me! Let your rod and staff chastise me, correct me, instruct me and protect my walk. Create in me a clean heart. Let me see only my sin. Let me see only my guilt. Show me where I have backed away from you and taken on other lovers. Please help me to know only you and walk by the light of your Word. Instruct me day by day, moment by moment. And my dear Savior, if today be the day of the calling away of your saints, my dear Jesus , open my ears to hear the sound of your trumpet and the shout of the calling of my name. What ever it takes, engrave in my heart a new desire and new zeal and new love to walk in your presence. Fill me with the Fire of the Holy Ghost and let that fire burn with in my being to burn away the wood hay and stubble that fills my heart and blurrs my vision. Wash me in the Waters of your Name. I Thank you I praise you I bless you and I glorify your Name and Your Blood. You are my all in all. Save me inwardly to the uttermost. COME LORD JESUS COME This world is NOT my home nor is it my Kingdom. I am a pilgrim and s sojourner. Clean out my eyes. Wash away the idolatry that blinds my vision for I fear I perish if I can not see only you. SAVE ME KEEP ME Help me to find my refuge in your Blood, Come Lord Jesus Come" - Amen


I don't know how Christians who believe in a pre-trib rapture support the idea. Jesus said AFTER the tribulation of those days.. not before it (the tribulation) happens.. So Rapture, yes.. (and it is known as The Reaping of the earth), but just not pre-tribulation:

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew)

The only way that anyone is going to be saved is if they are fighting for God and His Laws (instead of fighting against Him and His Laws). Fighting for the Truth, and speaking the Truth to others is also fighting for God.
"There is a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come - the readiness is all."
~Hamlet
 

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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​
http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
 
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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​

http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
I have visiond the same thing many times.
 

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Almost Persuaded - Greg Lauer
The thought that many of Church going people will be left behind is a sobering thought, and I totally agree with Greg that these so called Christians will be used to "prove" that the rapture did not happen. I mean, think about the Pope going live debunking the event.... I can see it happening, but those who heard of it will hopefully be able to connect the dots and repent. Abba, please draw them to Christ before that day however!

By the way, I believe this is one reason it will be so easy for people to believe Satan's New Age explanation for the Rapture: Many churches will be minimally affected by it. Multiple millions of good, church-going "Christians" of every denominational persuasion will be left behind because they are unsaved, not to put too fine a point on it. Thus, the idea that this event was the rapture of the Church will seem preposterous to them, and the argument will go something like this: "If the event that just occurred was this so-called 'rapture of the Church' thing, then why are there so many of us good, church-going people still here, huh? Answer me that." And Satan's staffers will be standing by with plausible, reassuring answers.​

http://www.alittlestrength.com/articles/2019/1901-persuaded.htm
So how come good church going people are not going up ?

I mean what do you think it takes to be raptured ?
 

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So how come good church going people are not going up ?

I mean what do you think it takes to be raptured ?
If you are a born again believer, you should know the answer......You must be born again. It is what happens when we see our self as God sees us and we agree with Him...That is called repentance. And when we call upon the name of the Lord, he regenerates us with the Holy Spirit. Going to Church, tithing, giving to the poor has nothing to do to do to be acceptable to God, but rather, regeneration causes us to do those things through His Spirit that pleases God. Let me ask you Toki, Have you ever confessed your sins before The Lord and asked Him to forgive you and acknowledged His sacrifice for your (our) sins? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. It is the only true peace in this life that is in Christ Jesus.
 

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That is because many people are "almost Christians". https://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/sermons/whitefield-almost-christian.php#.XGCtlxJ_VxA
In modern talk: think like, act like, behave like, even feel like they are Christians- but true transforming heart change through faith in Jesus Christ has not occurred.
God knows our heart.
So most good church going people don't have enough faith in Jesus Christ and that's why they will be left behind ?

And only God knows who has passed that threshold of enough faith for being worthy of rapture ?
 

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If you are a born again believer, you should know the answer......You must be born again.

I'm asking because i want to know your position on this topic.

It was said that good church going people will be left behind... and so i wanted to know who you think will go up.

And one answer was faith in Jesus Christ... but isn't that why people go to church... because they have faith in Jesus Christ ?

Therefore there is no reason based on that answer to exclude good church going people from the rapture.

Perhaps they just didn't have strong enough faith... some almost but not enough ?


It is what happens when we see our self as God sees us and we agree with Him...That is called repentance.
Repentance is turning from evil towards good... it's regretting the wrong we've done.


Let me ask you Toki, Have you ever confessed your sins before The Lord and asked Him to forgive you and acknowledged His sacrifice for your (our) sins?
I am the Lord's spokesperson.

How about that Dawg ?
 
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"There is a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come - the readiness is all."
~Hamlet
Shakespeare (who some people believe may have actually been Francis Bacon, according to the Baconian hypothesis) may very well have been right about the fall of a sparrow.

However, we do know for a fact what Jesus said about the Rapture:

Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
 
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Shakespeare (who some people believe may have actually been Francis Bacon, according to the Baconian hypothesis) may very well have been right about the fall of a sparrow.

However, we do know for a fact what Jesus said about the Rapture.

Matthew
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken: - Jesus
I'm fairly familiar with Shakespeare and Bacon (New Atlantis etc) -

What always struck me about the particular quote was the "readiness" aspect...

Are we ready if we were to die tomorrow or should the Rapture were to take place one day soon?

And are we ready to die for our faith in Jesus if we suddenly face tribulation and have to choose?
 
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I'm fairly familiar with Shakespeare and Bacon (New Atlantis etc) -

What always struck me about the particular quote was the "readiness" aspect...

Are we ready if we were to die tomorrow or should the Rapture were to take place one day soon?

And are we ready to die for our faith in Jesus if we suddenly face tribulation and have to choose?
Understood and agreed.
 

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She was given a vision by either God or the Devil.

If she was a true Christian she was given the vision by God... which would mean the vision must come to pass.

Now God promised nuclear war in Zechariah 5.
Zechariah 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.

6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
 

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Zechariah 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
The dimensions of a submarine launched ballistic missile.


3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
This nuclear war is a curse from God to cut off thieves and perjurers.


4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
God will see to it that the nuclear war will happen.

And it will consume both timber and stone and leave a residue (read radioactivity) of the houses of thieves and perjurers.


5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.

6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
From the ballistic missile a nuclear warhead goes forth... it's a container measuring about 10 gallons. And they are all like this throughout the earth.


7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
A circle or sphere of lead read uranium/plutonium is shown within this container and this is not ish/woman but esh/fire... wicked fire !


9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
The two stages of a ballistic missile rising into the sky with fire lifting up the nuclear warhead.


10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
The prophet saw the launch of a ballistic missile and asked where was it going ? And the prophetic angelic answer was that a base will be built for it in Babylon.
 

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Why am i not surprised that nobody can read and understand Zechariah 5 ?
If you took it within the context of Scripture and stopped placing your own interpretation onto it, maybe others would think as you do. Or not. Everything seems to be a matter of interpretation these days.
 
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