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Cocomj

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Aww sweetie I’m sad
I will miss you
I agree the thread can be an addiction for me it definitely was
Your posts have been VERY helpful
We are all very thankful
I hope God guises you on a flowery path in the future!

I will miss you too :(
(Also if i don't completely disappear from internet u can find me : On Instagram and maybe Skype )
Ikr ?
Glad you got over "the addiction" then ^^
I'm happy they have been :3
(Just kind thinking abt slander but i'm not worried or scared abt their El*te tbh )
Awww thanks that's very nice of you
Well i hope God always offer you protection and guide you in your dreams ~
 

stellz95

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Idk if anyone has watched the Netflix version of Sabrina
This part in the show really stuck out to me please listen to the conversation at the end and hear what Prudence is saying
 

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Yes,those tweets were mentioned in that article.......also,the company is in it from the beginning,it's not that the group went about tweeting this by themselves.....the company is also involved.......it is their mentality as a whole.....notice how the members opined about women at various times and most recently even in 2017,I think......it's just the company and the group are trying to present a better image for the international audience who will be more serious with these kind of issues especially in western countries.......no wonder,the women from sk are still having issues with this group......they also mentioned about how the group pays only lipservice about women and lgbtq and trying to make these issues commercial by trying to appear like they are championing their rights......isn't it funny that the group or company never respond when anyone demands an explanation?.....just remain aloof and the fan(atic)s will take care of those who question like those women who got cyberbullied for trying to tell the group's real face over the internet.......at this point,it is a shame that many young women look upto them as their saviours........
a person's character can be assessed from their group of friends and the group's close friend(especially one eyed's)and writer of the company is a purported rapist and woman assaulter........what can you expect from them?.........imagine what goes on in their minds when they see these young girls and women screaming and swarming around them.......1 direction members(with whom this group is often compared to) have been caught in many videos calling the screaming fans 'cunts'......but this group has much better actors,so, they haven't let up in the public,atleast not yet.........and this group is the supposed 'leaders of next generation'.......what is un even thinking?...oh,they don't even know about them:oops:......'who is bt$? they ask':rolleyes:

Edit: Also,@cadiz ,they did slip up,just remembered about it......there are instances of them making wagers about who get more women(especially tea and jamal)........that some of them have a liking for 10-17yr old girls.........and one instance where jamal,who was already in his 20s,took it too far chasing after a 15yr old girl idol to the point of scaring her and that guys from other idol groups have to intervene and tell him to back off(notice how his own group members don't intervene?).......... but these instances will be drowned and if one questions about them,the company and probably the brainwashed fans will give you the most generic answer there ever was......'boys will be boys':mad:
These news are not new, they issued an official apology after controversy and R* M talked about regretting and changing his mindset in his vlive (and now he can't even watch his debut videos of embarrassment). Yes, boys were dumb male teenagers growin up in a conservative society that is traditionally patriarchal. Even now it happens in that country (if we remember an issue with Ir*ne from R V who supported feminism). I grew up in a similar place and not open minded society. Yes, boys were dumb as fck. I mean I wouldn't support 2013 BT* with that conservative mindset. But if I remind myself what kind of person I was in my 16-17 yo - I regret a lot. I was also a dumb teenager. If we believe that a person can become more open minded as they grow up from age of 17-19 till 25 as they become exposed to new ideas and ways of life - I think Bt* are not the worst case. Yes, they are not saints but they went through a lot of growing pain and mistakes since they are from traditionally patriarchal background. And their fans are also not saints but just humans. About their ceo - hm, I don't like this man. I DONT LIKE THIS MAN :) his decisions and choices...hm questionable.
 

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@unbelievabletruth "boys will be boys" and "fans will be fans"

you are correct , bts apologized only after they were exposed and the news went to the media, but the article you posted shows several ocasions when they degraded women, and RM is saying that woman was only good for sex and shaming her

maybe they changed....maybe they didnt, they are still friends with that shady producer.....but now they have a clean image to mantain and are protected by the media paid by bighit
 

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I knew that nomination was just an excuse to invite them....aparently they will be presenting an award. How predictable is this now?

I could already tell the grammy's are just using the boys and their fandom just for high ratings and getting people to tune in to watch the show. Just like what VC's already wrote in his articles, the grammy's is just "not about the music" but a platform to dictate what public should be kept distracted with.
 

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I could already tell the grammy's are just using the boys and their fandom just for high ratings and getting people to tune in to watch the show. Just like what VC's already wrote in his articles, the grammy's is just "not about the music" but a platform to dictate what public should be kept distracted with.
yes, and the award they were nominated is not broadcasted so they made them presenters because they want them to appear on camera.
This is the biggest music event in the industry giving them camera time....not even one direction at their peak got that grammy "validation"...how deep they are into this? we still dont know
 

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Grammy isn't free. They have to pay for everything they receive. They will probably be more miserable as the year goes on, doesn't matter how talented someone is, it's about how much they're willing to give up.
They are not one of the "elite" they are just pawns in the NWO which is how they're the most famous celebs in the world right now and still climbing. People from all cultures, religions, etc are in their fanclub. The world is changing drastically and they're just a tiny part of it.
As soon as their looks start to fade and they get washed up the elite will drop them and people will start to forget.
Idk what to call them but these people are not anyone's friends/fans. All celebs are just property to them.
 

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Grammy isn't free. They have to pay for everything they receive. They will probably be more miserable as the year goes on, doesn't matter how talented someone is, it's about how much they're willing to give up.
They are not one of the "elite" they are just pawns in the NWO which is how they're the most famous celebs in the world right now and still climbing. People from all cultures, religions, etc are in their fanclub. The world is changing drastically and they're just a tiny part of it.
As soon as their looks start to fade and they get washed up the elite will drop them and people will start to forget.
Idk what to call them but these people are not anyone's friends/fans. All celebs are just property to them.
some people are even able to eat sh*t only to walk in a grammy room and appear on tv.. like lol it's kinda out of hand.. It's hard to not judge when you see people like this
 

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So... I saw an IG post that somebody just named their newborn child after one-eyed. I think he and JM are the most seductive members. View attachment 19192
Also, In my country they named a Koala after his character, Koya.
http://instagr.am/p/Bp0vVCilcr-/
That’s sad. They’re so obsessed with BTS that they’ll name their child after one of the members. I don’t see how people think that BTS are good people. Just look into their soulless eyes.
 

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Wow.......'boys will be boys' argument in a neat package........
.some user appeared after a long time and are defending their group dutifully with the claim of the innocent boys being ignorant of the world...........and their country is supposed to be a model state shown by us as an example of western development.........there are women in that country who speak their views out and that's why the news came out.........and there are other groups with clean image atleast in their lyrics and public interaction and if the patriarchal argument holds good,shouldn't the other groups be criticised about it too?.........so,
stop making a sweeping generalisation of the group and the fandom.......they have sisters and mothers....it's not like they don't know how to treat women.........being a dumb teenager is different from writing the lyrics in 2015,don't think one-eyed was a teenager in 2015
and hoppie wasn't a teenager when he gave his views of an ideal woman in 2016 ....thus said,
stop making excuses for them or the fandom..........and yes,playing the 'victim card' by blaming the boss for every wrongdoing........on one hand there are claims that they're given the most freedom with their content and when there's trouble,blame the boss.......this would've applied in the past but with the renewed contract,there's no way they can still play dumb..........all of them are in this together,alongwith their boss.
About being embarrassed of debut videos,being progressive or not,it is a natural reaction for anyone to feel embarrassed of their old videos or pictures sometimes,so,there's not much to it.
Them turning a new leaf regarding their outlook towards women.........this is the most recent video of them passing judgmental looks at a girl group.......
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179513
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179605
And this is what sweet boi wore recently........
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-867#post-176848
not so progressive now,are they?

To other users,this is a reminder of the posts by the user and the reactions of the other users

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-433#post-134455
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134470
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134475
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134522
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-432#post-134410
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-435#post-134540
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134323
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-439#post-134764
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134314

That said,found the pattern.........looks like the thread is about to get derailed by the fans who check in when their group is not putting out content,so they have free time to make their rose-tinted view known to those who have already shed it.
Wow.......'boys will be boys' argument in a neat package........
.some user appeared after a long time and are defending their group dutifully with the claim of the innocent boys being ignorant of the world...........and their country is supposed to be a model state shown by us as an example of western development.........there are women in that country who speak their views out and that's why the news came out.........and there are other groups with clean image atleast in their lyrics and public interaction and if the patriarchal argument holds good,shouldn't the other groups be criticised about it too?.........so,
stop making a sweeping generalisation of the group and the fandom.......they have sisters and mothers....it's not like they don't know how to treat women.........being a dumb teenager is different from writing the lyrics in 2015,don't think one-eyed was a teenager in 2015
and hoppie wasn't a teenager when he gave his views of an ideal woman in 2016 ....thus said,
stop making excuses for them or the fandom..........and yes,playing the 'victim card' by blaming the boss for every wrongdoing........on one hand there are claims that they're given the most freedom with their content and when there's trouble,blame the boss.......this would've applied in the past but with the renewed contract,there's no way they can still play dumb..........all of them are in this together,alongwith their boss.
About being embarrassed of debut videos,being progressive or not,it is a natural reaction for anyone to feel embarrassed of their old videos or pictures sometimes,so,there's not much to it.
Them turning a new leaf regarding their outlook towards women.........this is the most recent video of them passing judgmental looks at a girl group.......
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179513
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-879#post-179605
And this is what sweet boi wore recently........
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-867#post-176848
not so progressive now,are they?

To other users,this is a reminder of the posts by the user and the reactions of the other users

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-433#post-134455
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134470
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134475
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-434#post-134522
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-432#post-134410
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-435#post-134540
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134323
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-439#post-134764
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/bts-discussion-thread.3453/page-430#post-134314

That said,found the pattern.........looks like the thread is about to get derailed by the fans who check in when their group is not putting out content,so they have free time to make their rose-tinted view known to those who have already shed it.
Nice to meet old friends here) 1. About other groups - yes, other groups were also critisized by SK feminists. And I'm very glad that feminism activists are fighting for their rights. I don't wanna mention other groups but I can hint that I'm an old kpop fan and joined kpop community during older generation idols rise. There were MANY controversies about lyrics etc. Even bt* generation. Now idols are more educated and I'm glad to see the progress. Why I don't mention other male groups - I just don't want fans to jump on this discusion. 2. Yes, I changed my perspective about CEO. Yes, B* is better company than another S*, Y* but after deep research I found out that B* ceo or producers seems to be too strongly biased. And Ban* P* is not the perfect boss in my eyes. Now boys have new conctract, I hope things will get better a little bit 3. Boys learned after their mistake and trying to grow to be more open minded. Of course they might do mistakes even now since they are just human. They changed lyrics to some their song and don't perform the most controversial anymore never. As Namj**n is my bias I can tell he tries to be better (he himself admitted he did mistakes and regrets debut mindset in US interview and vlive). 3. About girls dancing in front of them - they just tried to keep their face in front of many cameras. If some camera caught a moment where member would be cheering for girl group - you know tomorrow there might be a dating scandal or smth. 4. About S*ga clothes - LOOOL actually a*my clowned the clothes on twt and even created funny # as far as I remember. Why so serious guys? And bold of you to strictly assume that S*ga is only interested in women bo*bs (in context that we are talkig about women rights, feminism etc). Not only women have bo*bs lol) and it might (!) be something to do with a rap show "show me your m*n*y" (I assume not sure - but he talked about it in his mixtape the last)?
Actually I came here to read abot Gra*m* news theories but got distracted.
 
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View attachment 19213
Tea shared a pic on fancfeView attachment 19214View attachment 19215

Giving a sneak peek of his juul cannot just b a mistake, now watch underages get juuls too because their idol vapes one.
A*my tried to cover for him saying it's a pastel holder LOL.
& When the most recent Run episode came out Tea was under water for more than a minute and delusion fans said there's no way he smokes bc he can hold his breath for that long.....
People forget these are GROWN men not middle schoolers.
 

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A*my tried to cover for him saying it's a pastel holder LOL.
& When the most recent Run episode came out Tea was under water for more than a minute and delusion fans said there's no way he smokes bc he can hold his breath for that long.....
People forget these are GROWN men not middle schoolers.
I sometimes enjoy theories here but about this issue - honestly I don't understand the problem. First of all it doesn't look like j**l. And even if it was - he is a grown man as you said. This is not smth illegal. The main point of that photo is his painting (not some little details around) - art is what he wanted to share with people who love him.
 

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I sometimes enjoy theories here but about this issue - honestly I don't understand the problem. First of all it doesn't look like j**l. And even if it was - he is a grown man as you said. This is not smth illegal. The main point of that photo is his painting (not some little details around) - art is what he wanted to share with people who love him.
I've started to notice his fans are terribly toxic towards him. They're constantly criticizing him. He's a human being too. I think this is part of the reason he's starting to get over the "V" facade.
I understand why he was scared to show his art at first, people are just plain rude. It's HIS art. I didn't even notice the juul/pastel holder (whatever it was it doesn't matter).
 
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I've started to notice his fans are terribly toxic towards him. They're constantly criticizing him. He's a human being too. I think this is part of the reason he's starting to get over the "V" facade.
I understand why he was scared to show his art at first, people are just plain rude. It's HIS art. I didn't even notice the juul/pastel holder (whatever it was it doesn't matter).
Well said
It is HIS life I really don’t care if he smokes or anything other lifestyle choice he chooses to do
The reason I joined this thread was to help others that were affected by them
It becomes a problem when he affects others
I think there is a huge difference and we forget that
Also I was watching the latest run and V and Jimin were paired together
I saw many instances when Jimin initiated many times contact with V who accepted it but looked done
You can really see which ones are more obedient
I don’t think Bighit will let BTS go just now
They are still important to them for now and for the coming year I think they will promote them very hard
Also maybe presenting V in such a bad light Is actually a marketing strategy
Also V and Jimin are both the same age so they will be promoting solo projects around the same time whilst the others are in the military
putting the competition down from V so making him look bad will give a bitter impression of him
I’ve seen so many Tae biased army start liking Jimin and biasing him because Tae has “changed” and I think this is all a strategy
 
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Well said
It is HIS life I really don’t care if he smokes or anything other lifestyle choice he chooses to do
The reason I joined this thread was to help others that were affected by them
It becomes a problem when he affects others
I think there is a huge difference and we forget that
Also I was watching the latest run and V and Jimin were paired together
I saw many instances when Jimin initiated many times contact with V who accepted it but looked done
You can really see which ones are more obedient
I don’t think Bighit will let BTS go just now
They are still important to them for now and for the coming year I think they will promote them very hard
Also maybe presenting V in such a bad light Is actually a marketing strategy
To the illuminati star signs are important right and Jimin has the powerful numbers on his birthday making him the star
Also V and Jimin are both the same age so they will be promoting solo projects around the same time whilst the others are in the military
Well, I think Jimins career will shoot off and they want to excel this by putting the competition down from V so making him look bad will give a bitter impression of him
I’ve seen so many Tae biased army start liking Jm and biasing him because Tae has “changed” and I think this is all a strategy
I'm so glad you brought BH being biased towards Jimin! I watched their Mnet compilation from debut till idol performances on their stage and Jm was a mediocre singer at best yet they always had him center stage and lots of lines. BH favors JK and JM most of the camera time in their live stages goes to them. JM is willing to do anything to be center of attention even the hyungs (handlers) kiss his ass.
But I think that this mistreatment towards Tea might be a higher beings way of forcing him to get up and leave. Even from his solo song I can tell he doesn't care what's commercial and what will sell. He would be better off out of BH and as an independent artist. $ may not be good but he'd have his dignity. B"S will ruin him if he doesn't get out soon. The stress and depression has aged him and he looks TIRED.
I think his lethargy in run episodes and other content is bc it's used to pimp them out and he doesn't want it anymore.
 
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