The Muslum Christian

[Claire Rousseau]

I don't see this as any more "fictitious" than the other what, 25-30,000 Christian denominations? It's their vision, their revelation, as seekers of Christ. It's the same as the several books of "Revelations according to" from each of the apostles, yet the RC church chose only one to include in the bible. While I may not be drawn toward Hill's vision, I see nothing evil or destructive. Do you believe that your version of the faith is the only way? That out of billions of Christians you are the only one who can grasp the ideal of being "born again"?

25-30 THOUSAND Christian denominations??!!

Why do you make up these LIES?!

You certainly make bold claims.

I challenge you to list a thousand of these denominations you claim exist.

 

[elsbet]

25-30 THOUSAND Christian denominations??!!

Why do you make up these LIES?!

You certainly make bold claims.

I challenge you to list a thousand of these denominations you claim exist.

Indeed.
Its getting awfully deep in here.

 

[JoChris]

25-30 THOUSAND Christian denominations??!!

Why do you make up these LIES?!

You certainly make bold claims.

I challenge you to list a thousand of these denominations you claim exist.

Many different denominations for many different reasons.
E.g. geography, cultural, hisorical. Looking at "why" could be educational.
The Roman Catholic church has changed a great deal over the centuries and kept the same name.
Googling history catholic church doctrine changes might open some eyes.

 

[TokiEl]

And? Isaiah revealed pages and pages of the judgments of God. Your interpretation of one passage of a near unfathomable vision is not the end all be all on the subject. How could Islam supposedly be against God and those that acknowledge the One God of Abraham, when their work has been to remind us of the same God, the Almighty Father that Jesus prayed to?

The Quran does not acknowledge the Messiah as the Saviour of man.

 

[TokiEl]

You're looking at the Results... the Fruit of the gift of the impartation of the Holy Spirit. They are not a starting point, but evidence of the Faith.

Yes but some never get off the start block...

Acts 2 38"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

 

[elsbet]

Yes but some never get off the start block...

Acts 2 38"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

That is the starting point, or the start block, yes.

TokiEl... most times, I think we're saying the same thing and just not understanding each other. Or I'm not understanding you.

Anyway...
What verse are you referring to, here? LINK

 

[yannick]

The Quran does not acknowledge the Messiah as the Saviour of man.

It does, for the people to whom God Sent him. The Saviour of man for the time of Adam was Adam. The Saviour now is Muhammad.

God Is The Greatest Saviour though since He Created every human Saviour. So a human Saviour would also be known as Slave to The Most Real Saviour, which would be one of the highest honors achievable by man, whether he be an Apostle or an ordinary man. Note that The Last Prophet Sent to mankind by God Almighty is Muhammad. No other Prophet will come after him. Jesus will come again, but to follow the teachings of Muhammad as he is The Prophet for this era.

 

[TokiEl]

That is the starting point, or the start block, yes.

TokiEl... most times, I think we're saying the same thing and just not understanding each other. Or I'm not understanding you.

I think so too... and English is just a learnt language to me so something is probably lost in translation.

Anyway...
What verse are you referring to, here? LINK

Isaiah 14 12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit."

The mount of the congregation where the Israelites congregated for about a thousand years is Mount Zion. And somebody else will also sit there even on the farthest sides of the north. And it's not possible on Mount Zion to go farther north than the Temple Mount.

And who is squatting there ? That's right the god of Islam.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Many different denominations for many different reasons.
E.g. geography, cultural, hisorical. Looking at "why" could be educational.
The Roman Catholic church has changed a great deal over the centuries and kept the same name.
Googling history catholic church doctrine changes might open some eyes.

True, but 25-30,000?

That is a ridiculous exaggeration if I ever heard one.

He is just regurgitating some vague, hyper inflated nonsense that most atheists like to spout.

 

[DavidSon]

25-30 THOUSAND Christian denominations??!!

Why do you make up these LIES?!

You certainly make bold claims.

I challenge you to list a thousand of these denominations you claim exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

Enough churches for you?

I was quoting the author of one of the video's in the Catholic/Protestant thread... the video was from the RC viewpoint, making a claim for how fractured modern Christianity is. True, I should research where he arrived at 20-30 thousand, I'm assuming it's every branch of every denomination. The point still stands: the "believers" of Christ are vast and diverse. No one here has some high authority over the rest.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

It does, for the people to whom God Sent him. The Saviour of man for the time of Adam was Adam. The Saviour now is Muhammad.

God Is The Greatest Saviour though since He Created every human Saviour. So a human Saviour would also be known as Slave to The Most Real Saviour, which would be one of the highest honors achievable by man, whether he be an Apostle or an ordinary man. Note that The Last Prophet Sent to mankind by God Almighty is Muhammad. No other Prophet will come after him. Jesus will come again, but to follow the teachings of Muhammad as he is The Prophet for this era.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY SAVIOUR.

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”.........John 14:6 KJB


This was established back in Genesis in the garden of eden when mankind first sinned.

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”..............Genesis 3:15 KJB

 

[Claire Rousseau]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

Enough churches for you?

I was quoting the author of one of the video's in the Catholic/Protestant thread... the video was from the RC viewpoint, making a claim for how fractured modern Christianity is. True, I should research where he arrived at 20-30 thousand, I'm assuming it's every branch of every denomination. The point still stands: the "believers" of Christ are vast and diverse. No one here has some high authority over the rest.

Even if you counted every branch of every denomination you still wouldn’t arrive at 25-30,000.

# of church buildings? Believable.
# of congregations? Believable.
# of denominations? Unbelievable.

Furthermore, nobody here is claiming to have authority over anyone else. I’m not sure why you feel like that.

However, I think all Bible-believing Christians can agree that the Word of God IS our authority for all matters of faith & practice.

 

[bible_student]

The Truth contained in "The Way home or face The Fire" is above all denominations. God promised in Malachi 4 that He would again send EliJAH the Prophet before The great and terrible day of The "I AM".

http://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/Bible/44mal.htm#4_1
http://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/Bible/sura061.htm

 

[Douglas Summers]

It does, for the people to whom God Sent him. The Saviour of man for the time of Adam was Adam. The Saviour now is Muhammad.

God Is The Greatest Saviour though since He Created every human Saviour. So a human Saviour would also be known as Slave to The Most Real Saviour, which would be one of the highest honors achievable by man, whether he be an Apostle or an ordinary man. Note that The Last Prophet Sent to mankind by God Almighty is Muhammad. No other Prophet will come after him. Jesus will come again, but to follow the teachings of Muhammad as he is The Prophet for this era.

Your teaching and legens are in your own mind. Deceiving and untrue that only the self righteous and children of Satan would fall for. I have seen this attempt before to beguile people from the Truth (Genesis Chapters 2 & 3 of Satan) and Balaam in Numbers Chapter 22.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

Enough churches for you?

I was quoting the author of one of the video's in the Catholic/Protestant thread... the video was from the RC viewpoint, making a claim for how fractured modern Christianity is. True, I should research where he arrived at 20-30 thousand, I'm assuming it's every branch of every denomination. The point still stands: the "believers" of Christ are vast and diverse. No one here has some high authority over the rest.

The RCC believes itself to be the true church. Exaggerated figures like 20-30 thousand is the hyperbole they come up with to try to delegitamise those who don't agree with "Mother Church" ;-)

 

[Colonel Valerio]

The RCC believes itself to be the true church. Exaggerated figures like 20-30 thousand is the hyperbole they come up with to try to delegitamise those who don't agree with "Mother Church" ;-)

Whatever the true number is, that is a lot of denominations. You would think that wouldn’t be the case with the “divine inspired inerrant and infallible word of God”.

 

[Vytas]

Whatever the true number is, that is a lot of denominations. You would think that wouldn’t be the case with the “divine inspired inerrant and infallible word of God”.

Perhaps then there should be only one faith and atheist's shouldn't exist at all. Taking your logic little bit further...

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Perhaps then there should be only one faith and atheist's shouldn't exist at all. Taking your logic little bit further...

If God literally wrote the book ( or any book ) then yes there should be only faith.

 

[Vytas]

If God literally wrote the book ( or any book ) then yes there should be only faith.

And the world should be perfect ? Thats not the case at all. Spiritual war is happening above and below. One day though...

 

[Colonel Valerio]

And the world should be perfect ? Thats not the case at all. Spiritual war is happening above and below. One day though...

The way fundamentalism views God makes our lives just for his amusement. The idea of an all knowing active creator God who controls all of reality, and then damns you to a torture chamber for all eternity if you don’t have the right religion is disgusting.