Children, the Trump regime and agenda's

[Awoken2]

And Trump naysayers now are harping on what MSM says. This board, until recently, has never had so many roll with what MSM says. By all means, carry on thinking he is the culprit of all the problems and never give him credit for low gas, ISIS subdued, etc.

You keep on and on with this ridiculous assertion that anybody who doesn't fall for this joke of a president then by default MUST be believing the msn.

Got some news for you. SOME people don't believe a single word that comes out of the msn as they are fully aware of it's true purpose.

We've had 9/11, Boston Bombing, Vegas Shooting, and a whole shitload of other staged events to show us exactly what the msn is all about long before Trump came along so why do you keep labouring that same old lame point all tbe time?

As I've said I'm sure there are forums out there where you can rejoice in what a fantastic job he is doing....just don't expect anyone who sees through it to keep quiet though.

 

[The Zone]

See through what? That people have differing opinions? The point with the MSM bit is that most of what is spoken of here comes straight from the headlines. As for the lesson in MSM past, etc, nobody needs lessons here. To this day one cannot figure out what I have said until I am blue in the face. I did not vote for Trump, I am not a superfan of him but loath PC culture gone amok, so therefore simply see him as another person in the office but one more preferable to Hillary.

If you are so well versed in conspiracies why can't you see that it is the MSM which divides like never before? The other thing is someone in the UK cannot see what really goes on in America by living there. That makes your statements full of assumptions from MSM offerings which is what I have been trying to point out. Most Europeans views of America are tainted in that all they have seen is what is on MSM. There are no daily civil wars on the streets where everyone is going on about their business.



Now, knowing no one man is in control, why spend so much time crapping on Trump? I mean, you are wrapped up in this nicely by what I see in the news. You are quick to name call those you deem opposition, have adopted black and white thinking with concern to American politics. And why does one have to repeat themselves over and over?

The difference is I have given any president props when they deserve it which is not that often. But if one is to say Trump is not the reason for the worlds issues then they are called all that lefty stuff which is likely why he could get re-elected. And that may be a set up for more theater of divide.

Carry on. There are plenty of new Trump headlines daily and while you are caught up in it, the real news is they are sucking your freedom away as you are distracted. People who oppose Trump are far more obsessed with him than those who are neutral or supportive.

Wake up and see what is manufactured daily and peoples addiction to it. I guess you can call me names and all that now.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Trump is the Devil. He is the culprit of every problem in the world including reading comprehension issues. He is so corrupt that flowers wilt when he walks by. When in doubt, blame Trump. All of the mainstream media and posters in this thread are dead on the issues with Trump. I love the rational, open-minded thinking here. You guys n' gals keep up the good work. One of these days we will burn that old devil Trump. BTW, if you are constantly talking about him, he's got you. And while you are distracted by the MSM which you all by chance agree with 100.... everything else slips right by you. Hell, I live just to come to VC everyday and trash Trump and use the grounded logic that anyone who does not trash him at every turn must love him. Yall, keep on thinkin' now.

Hey, if Trumps the man and all of the evidence here is faulty, it should have been easy for you to stroll on through and make your case instead of whining like a pathetic, beaten dog right?

 

[The Zone]

You kill me with your retorts. Who is a whining dog? All I see is you guys howling in that most people can leave some threads be. By all means, do as you will but at least master some sort of gauge that each person in here is both good and bad in some ways and there are no sides other than ones choosing. But you are missing so much locked in on Trump. He is the master distraction while nothing else is reported on by the media. And clean it up a little and try to discuss with no name calling or inferences. And by all means never address what I say as usual and only another blanket riff. So, in your eyes are all people who can tolerate Trump on occasion evil? That is the way your responses always sound. I am just miffed at how the conversation has gone down in the forums of late and how some are always uptight and standoffish failing to see both wit and humor. In short, we used to talk about much more than Trump and I rarely speak of him in everyday life. Instead, I live it for things are still not that bad in this world considering how wicked it is becoming. Lastly, of course, Trump is guilty of some things, but the evidence is not a link in court and there are no winners here.....yet some claimed victory in some odd way which makes me laugh.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

You kill me with your retorts. Who is a whining dog? All I see is you guys howling in that most people can leave some threads be. By all means, do as you will but at least master some sort of gauge that each person in here is both good and bad in some ways and there are no sides other than ones choosing. But you are missing so much locked in on Trump. He is the master distraction while nothing else is reported on by the media. And clean it up a little and try to discuss with no name calling or inferences. And by all means never address what I say as usual and only another blanket riff. So, in your eyes are all people who can tolerate Trump on occasion evil? That is the way your responses always sound. I am just miffed at how the conversation has gone down in the forums of late and how some are always uptight and standoffish failing to see both wit and humor. In short, we used to talk about much more than Trump and I rarely speak of him in everyday life. Instead, I live it for things are still not that bad in this world considering how wicked it is becoming. Lastly, of course, Trump is guilty of some things, but the evidence is not a link in court and there are no winners here.....yet some claimed victory in some odd way which makes me laugh.

There’s been a lot of quality threads here recently, I think of Helioform’s post regarding religious syncretism and Rainerann’s regarding archaeology. Why not ignore the Trump threads and find others? Or start your own?

Hope all is well with you Zone.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

You kill me with your retorts. Who is a whining dog? All I see is you guys howling in that most people can leave some threads be. By all means, do as you will but at least master some sort of gauge that each person in here is both good and bad in some ways and there are no sides other than ones choosing. But you are missing so much locked in on Trump. He is the master distraction while nothing else is reported on by the media. And clean it up a little and try to discuss with no name calling or inferences. And by all means never address what I say as usual and only another blanket riff. So, in your eyes are all people who can tolerate Trump on occasion evil? That is the way your responses always sound. I am just miffed at how the conversation has gone down in the forums of late and how some are always uptight and standoffish failing to see both wit and humor. In short, we used to talk about much more than Trump and I rarely speak of him in everyday life. Instead, I live it for things are still not that bad in this world considering how wicked it is becoming. Lastly, of course, Trump is guilty of some things, but the evidence is not a link in court and there are no winners here.....yet some claimed victory in some odd way which makes me laugh.

This thread is regarding the evidence which clearly illustrates the key roles Donald Trump has played/continues to play in ongoing, high-level child abuse/ped networks which have often been the topic of discussion on the VC site. This thread and others like it are not the "distraction" here.....YOU are the distraction. YOU are the poster whom chose to show up here, ignore the mountain of evidence of Trumps decades long, documented involvement in these situations to the core and post random blather-provocations and insults. YOU chose to show up here with yet another distraction post while offering nothing in response to the cited, sourced information here. YOU chose to distract from dialog centered on the welfare of children.... those are your actions to own, not mine.

So its obvious you dont take serious the increasing jeopardy children are under assault from, thats typical for Trump supporters...... but if you wish to just stammer and yammer on in praise of your golden-cheeto-headed idol and his policies w/o ever being confronted by the facts, this probably aint the site for you..........

 

[Realizing]

A part to play.

Trump, Epstein, Comey, the Clintons, the Bush's, Vladimir Putin, Benjamin Netenyahu.. that's what all of them are doing. They are bit actors hired for a minute in a drama that's played out over thousands of years. Someone mentioned political theater in a prior post, and that comment couldn't be more spot on. People who prize purity rarely make it to the the level politics or influence of the individuals this thread is discussing because there isn't any leverage (illicite relationships, illeagel activities, warped twisted fetishes, etc.) to threaten them with to forcibly align them to the right agendas. Power is the ultimate attraction - it's the name of this game and the higher you go and longer you look, the worse it gets.

It is twistedly evil to rob this innocence from children. It's evil incarnate like nothing else. Tempest and others have brought up a lot of stuff that needs carefully evaluated and considered, but the very fact that our leaders are into sex with children is nothing new. Abhorrent, horrific, disgusting - but unfortunately not new. Look at ancient Sparta, or Rome, or Greece.. or even the Samurai. Pederasty ran rampant - the great (and lots of not great) civilizations have all had a thing for underage boys/girls.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/pederasty

To the OP's point, the fact that Trump's regime is enforcing/enacting laws that "disappear" immigrant children is just too coincidental, considering all the perverse allegations and convictions coming to light. Lord help these kids. But are these leaders any more corrupt than our country's (and world's) prior leaders? Probably not - but the internet makes instantaneous knowledge the norm. Learning about Lolita Island or Jeff Gannon or PizzaGate is just a click away. In five minutes we can learn more than investigators would have found out in months 50 years ago!

Of course there has to be an immigration policy, of course we need borders that are controlled. We need policies and procedures to keep us from chaos, but the trauma inflicted on these kids that are separated at the border may be irreparable at a minimum, and shattering if the intent is as nefarious as we think it might be.

 

[The Zone]

This thread is regarding the evidence which clearly illustrates the key roles Donald Trump has played/continues to play in ongoing, high-level child abuse/ped networks which have often been the topic of discussion on the VC site. This thread and others like it are not the "distraction" here.....YOU are the distraction. YOU are the poster whom chose to show up here, ignore the mountain of evidence of Trumps decades long, documented involvement in these situations to the core and post random blather-provocations and insults. YOU chose to show up here with yet another distraction post while offering nothing in response to the cited, sourced information here. YOU chose to distract from dialog centered on the welfare of children.... those are your actions to own, not mine.

So its obvious you dont take serious the increasing jeopardy children are under assault from, thats typical for Trump supporters...... but if you wish to just stammer and yammer on in praise of your golden-cheeto-headed idol and his policies w/o ever being confronted by the facts, this probably aint the site for you..........

More babbling from the resident raw one.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

More babbling from the resident raw one.

So address the evidence presented......

 

[TempestOfTempo]

The only thing about that Oreport , is he just playing stupid when he says he doesn’t know why they don’t go after trump for his Epstein connection? He must know why they don’t ....he’s telling half truths..... ?

Sorry I just noticed your question here. I think he knows a lot more about whats going on than he reports, but thats due to legal issues and not wishing to compromise people/sources, investigations & etc.
Imo hes essentially saying "there are ultra-high placed, insulated pedo rings which operate at the highest levels of society, and exposing one or a few of them will lead to exposing many more so there is a massive effort to keep this activity well away from the public eye. This activity is a key bond which binds them into these pacts an etc. so its rare for any serious investigation into the subject."

 

[Awoken2]

Trump is guilty of some things

...shall we start a separate thread for it do you think?

 

[mcultras]

It's actually pretty interesting to watch multiple accounts blather on in awe and disgust at a literal nothing article written by a partisan hack. It just doesn't seem genuine. Wake me up when the Podesta's are indicted.

 

[The Zone]

So address the evidence presented......

Where does your evidence come from? MSM partisan types? Yep. So, why in the world would any rational person waste their time addressing slanted takes?

There’s been a lot of quality threads here recently, I think of Helioform’s post regarding religious syncretism and Rainerann’s regarding archaeology. Why not ignore the Trump threads and find others? Or start your own?

Hope all is well with you Zone.

Conversations have been eroding here for some time. You can see that in who posts and who does not. And more comical is watching some beg for responses when others know they enter a pig pin to converse if they choose to take the bait. Most avoid the mud and irrational ways of thinking. One person here speaks of evidence and truth when they know nothing of it.

Opinion, slanted articles are not proof. It is not that people do not care about children, it is about finding real tangible proof, something that would actually hold up in a court of truth and not the court of opinion. Irrational, emotional and almost caveman or teenager insults are far too common here of late and yes, there is a reason, that being individuals posting styles and there lack of the ability to discuss things without resorting to bringing the forum to a bad place with concern to decorum. Honestly, it is a very low level of intellectual discussion. Hope you are well, too.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Where does your evidence come from? MSM partisan types? Yep. So, why in the world would any rational person waste their time addressing slanted takes?

Conversations have been eroding here for some time. You can see that in who posts and who does not. And more comical is watching some beg for responses when others know they enter a pig pin to converse if they choose to take the bait. Most avoid the mud and irrational ways of thinking. One person here speaks of evidence and truth when they speak nothing of it. Opinion, slanted articles are not proof. It is not that people do not care about children, it is about finding real tangible proof, something that would actually hold up in a court of truth and not the court of opinion. Irrational, emotional and almost caveman or teenager insults are far too common here of late and yes, there is a reason, that being individuals posting styles and there lack of the ability to discuss things without resorting to bringing the forum to a bad place with concern to decorum. Honestly, it is a very low level of intellectual discussion. Hope you are well, too.

Translation: "The usual pseudo-alt-right ramblings and provocative behavior of the likes of "The Zone" and Dumbdarian has been challenged and their arguments dismantled. Instead of dropping it or moving on, this crowd is now actively going into serious threads such as this one and attempting to destroy productive dialog relative to the topic." Its happening over and over and its the same posters responsible in each instance. Proof? Look above, yet another off-topic post whining about how nobody pays attention to them anymore. Either address the points of this thread or bounce to another one to whine in, we are discussing children in peril here.....

If you need a recent, simple place to start you can address the information and outright proof presented in this thread linking Donald Trump to convicted sex predator Jeffry Epstein for decades as well as Trumps appointment of the now-infamous Acosta to head the agency responsible for human traffic law enforcement.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

A part to play.

Trump, Epstein, Comey, the Clintons, the Bush's, Vladimir Putin, Benjamin Netenyahu.. that's what all of them are doing. They are bit actors hired for a minute in a drama that's played out over thousands of years. Someone mentioned political theater in a prior post, and that comment couldn't be more spot on. People who prize purity rarely make it to the the level politics or influence of the individuals this thread is discussing because there isn't any leverage (illicite relationships, illeagel activities, warped twisted fetishes, etc.) to threaten them with to forcibly align them to the right agendas. Power is the ultimate attraction - it's the name of this game and the higher you go and longer you look, the worse it gets.

It is twistedly evil to rob this innocence from children. It's evil incarnate like nothing else. Tempest and others have brought up a lot of stuff that needs carefully evaluated and considered, but the very fact that our leaders are into sex with children is nothing new. Abhorrent, horrific, disgusting - but unfortunately not new. Look at ancient Sparta, or Rome, or Greece.. or even the Samurai. Pederasty ran rampant - the great (and lots of not great) civilizations have all had a thing for underage boys/girls.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/pederasty

To the OP's point, the fact that Trump's regime is enforcing/enacting laws that "disappear" immigrant children is just too coincidental, considering all the perverse allegations and convictions coming to light. Lord help these kids. But are these leaders any more corrupt than our country's (and world's) prior leaders? Probably not - but the internet makes instantaneous knowledge the norm. Learning about Lolita Island or Jeff Gannon or PizzaGate is just a click away. In five minutes we can learn more than investigators would have found out in months 50 years ago!

Of course there has to be an immigration policy, of course we need borders that are controlled. We need policies and procedures to keep us from chaos, but the trauma inflicted on these kids that are separated at the border may be irreparable at a minimum, and shattering if the intent is as nefarious as we think it might be.

I agree with your contentions regarding these situations being symptoms of a larger problem of ancient system(s). Not only of the rituals used, but of the compromising of individuals through participation in these rituals. It binds, via these vile pacts & rituals, people into the service of something diametrically opposite of decent human existence.
Something that is really telling for me in these regards is the fact that while almost any actual fetish is, if not accepted/encouraged, at least tolerated, these people still go for the real, permanent pain and suffering. People can fantasize about sex w/animals all they desire.... and show up to places where they can wear costumes and pretend to be animals actually going at it, just humping away. That sounds like Im making jokes but its true.... there are entire on and offline communities for adults who wish to engage in that sort of activity. Into dead people? There are entire sub-cultures of zombie role players. Into kids? Hey that could be horrible.... or a person could just get with any number of groups of adults who play dress up, diaper and whatever other weird ped ish they get off on. All consenting adults, in private, hurting no children whatsoever. There are cosplay, online fantasy chat and many other options for almost any fetish to be engaged in where its at least not harmful if not exactly healthy either. So what Im trying to express I guess is that people can get as freaky as their imaginations will let them and it wouldn't kill their career or shame them.... if anything masses of citizens might rally to their defense in this current climate. The people we are discussing in this thread are on something else entirely.... its not just the thrill of the taboo because that can be satisfied without the trauma and without the youth..... these people obviously lust for actual abuse of the most depraved and dangerous sort. Imo, these are true predators, not just perverted/sick/twisted/murderous criminals, dandy boys and rakes..... these are the people who live for evil.

I also agree about these perversions being predecessors to a fall of empires. That writing is clearly and historically written on the wall and to ignore it is to ignore a giant, flaming, neon-pink warning sign.

Im heartened to see that we are actually piecing together situations from various sources here in order to try and come up with a consensus about whats going down and what the next moves could be.... but Im also disappointed to see the Trump side refuse to address the substance of material posted here while trying to derail the thread. If kids cant even break through that wall, I guess nothing means anything to them.......

 

[The Zone]

Translation: "The usual pseudo-alt-right ramblings and provocative behavior of the likes of "The Zone" and Dumbdarian has been challenged and their arguments dismantled. Instead of dropping it or moving on, this crowd is now actively going into serious threads such as this one and attempting to destroy productive dialog relative to the topic." Its happening over and over and its the same posters responsible in each instance. Proof? Look above, yet another off-topic post whining about how nobody pays attention to them anymore. Either address the points of this thread or bounce to another one to whine in, we are discussing children in peril here.....

If you need a recent, simple place to start you can address the information and outright proof presented in this thread linking Donald Trump to convicted sex predator Jeffry Epstein for decades as well as Trumps appointment of the now-infamous Acosta to head the agency responsible for human traffic law enforcement.

I stopped at you calling me Alt Right in your first sentence which I am not. If you can quit with the name calling and blanket analogies I may read the rest of your posts. BTW, you don't make up the rules around here and I have addressed a bigger picture in the thread.

 

[Colonel Valerio]

Where does your evidence come from? MSM partisan types? Yep. So, why in the world would any rational person waste their time addressing slanted takes?

Conversations have been eroding here for some time. You can see that in who posts and who does not. And more comical is watching some beg for responses when others know they enter a pig pin to converse if they choose to take the bait. Most avoid the mud and irrational ways of thinking. One person here speaks of evidence and truth when they know nothing of it.

Opinion, slanted articles are not proof. It is not that people do not care about children, it is about finding real tangible proof, something that would actually hold up in a court of truth and not the court of opinion. Irrational, emotional and almost caveman or teenager insults are far too common here of late and yes, there is a reason, that being individuals posting styles and there lack of the ability to discuss things without resorting to bringing the forum to a bad place with concern to decorum. Honestly, it is a very low level of intellectual discussion. Hope you are well, too.

Come on Zone, was any of the pizza gate information enough to hold up in court?

If that’s the standard for everything than the entire premise of the site is flawed. I actually do think it’s flawed but that’s not the point.

If that’s the standard than I have been right to be skeptical of many of the claims presented on this forum, in all my incarnations.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I stopped at you calling me Alt Right in your first sentence which I am not. If you can quit with the name calling and blanket analogies I may read the rest of your posts. BTW, you don't make up the rules around here and I have addressed a bigger picture in the thread.

Of course you stopped there, that was the part of my post which addressed you. What purpose could there be for your participation here other than a giant ego trip?

You certainly are not here to add anything of value to a discussion centered on the desperate situation of children who are suffering right now, in real time...... but just in case your conscious should reappear I will repeat the challenge directed to you again:
"If you need a recent, simple place to start you can address the information and outright proof presented in this thread linking Donald Trump to convicted sex predator Jeffry Epstein for decades as well as Trumps appointment of the now-infamous Acosta to head the agency responsible for human traffic law enforcement."

 

[Awoken2]

The thing he fails to grasp is that nobody, and I mean noboďy, would be stupid enough to make this type if allegation unless there was some pretty substantial evidence to back that allegation up. If there was no evidence then the people making these claims would be silenced by the legal system (slander/libel etc)

What would somebody have to gain by making up a completely false allègation with no evidence to back it up?

It's the same on these boards, evidence is evidence. If you just keep on questioning the source that doesn't make the evidence disappear.

@The Zone

Ever heard the saying there's no smoke without fire?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

...shall we start a separate thread for it do you think?

I guess it could go into the "Trumped" thread?