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The ten horns or kings will reign in the great tribulation at the end of the age.

that's a different context to the prophecy in Daniel 7 which was about ancient roman empire and the 10 emperors of rome who ruled over the jewish nation/temple until Titus (the little horn) destroyed the temple. It matches right down to the 'year of 4 emperors' where it says one will uproot 3. However that era, was the 'legs of iron' in the Daniel 2 image.
The Revelation prophecies do have some similarities, but that's because this system will be the feet of iron and clay (again from Daniel 2), the 10 toes representing the 10 parts each under the control of a horn.

What im contending with is how you took the prophecy from Daniel 7 and applied it to future context when as i have explained they are 2 different, but connects systems. The legs of iron=roman empire at the time of Jesus/the second temple era. The feet of iron/clay, the future global system.
The fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the first beast in Revelation 13 are one and the same. It is a revived Roman empire in the line of the Holy Roman empire the German empire and the Third Reich. In other words there will be a Fourth Reich which is really a revived Third Reich which was a shortlived revived German empire which was the continuation of the Holy Roman empire which was a revived Roman empire.

The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

And the little horn is specifically the Fourth Reich or more precise the revived Third Reich.



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah+5&version=NIV
5 I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll.

2 He asked me, “What do you see?”

I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.[a]”

3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land; for according to what it says on one side, every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’

you have written
"This is their resemblance/aspect in/through(out) all the land/earth."

now explain to me, how any of this, whichever translation is used...somehow means a nuclear weapon?

every thief will be banished, and according to what it says on the other, everyone who swears falsely will be banished. 4 The Lord Almighty declares, ‘I will send it out, and it will enter the house of the thief and the house of anyone who swears falsely by my name. It will remain in that house and destroy it completely, both its timbers and its stones.’

The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.

So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.

That is of course terrible but who wants to quarrel with God about what He ought to do or not ?

When He has said and let it be written down we can expect a nuclear war with about 100% certainty.



it's nice that you acknowledged the truth that the jews once had a jewish homeland in the 7th century that failed, so why is it messianic this time round and not then? because this time the jews are your allies against islam
God has a timeline... and it's time.
 
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The fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the first beast in Revelation 13 are one and the same. It is a revived Roman empire in the line of the Holy Roman empire the German empire and the Third Reich. In other words there will be a Fourth Reich which is really a revived Third Reich which was a shortlived revived German empire which was the continuation of the Holy Roman empire which was a revived Roman empire.

The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

And the little horn is specifically the Fourth Reich or more precise the revived Third Reich.




The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.

So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.

That is of course terrible but who wants to quarrel with God about what He ought to do or not ?

When He has said and let it be written down we can expect a nuclear war with about 100% certainty.




God has a timeline... and it's time.

The fourth beast in Daniel 7 and the first beast in Revelation 13 are one and the same.

The 4 beasts, had one thing in common, they ruled over Jerusalem and more specifically the temple mount.
That doesnt apply to the german 'holy roman empire'


The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

jesus christ man, can you please tone down the american? i lose brain cells reading your posts.
Again the 4 beasts all ruled jerusalem/the jewish people and the holy temple.
Everyone already knows they were Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.
Even still let me entertain this dumb logic of yours

So britain is the 1st beast, russia the 2nd, germany the 3rd and the 4th is the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE??
that doesnt correlate with real history at all.
Besides all 4 beasts were also described in the Image in Daniel 2, in that chapter, the image was also explained.

Daniel 2
39 “After you, another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

ie the head of hold represented Babylon, the 1st beast.
According to you this is britain. You are dumb beyond belief.



The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.



The flying scroll
I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide
That is, about 30 feet long and 15 feet wide or about 9 meters long and 4.5 meters wide

Typhoon Class submarines have a length of 175m, beam of 23m and draught of 12m
yeh way to go making shit up you dopey twat.


So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.

lmfao
wow
God will drop nukes, but only on the houses of the wicked...so if you've been a good boy, you won't be harmed by a nuke destroying an entire city, nor will nuclear radiation harm you.

and since you actually believe God is a man called Jesus...you believe he will drop nukes.
of course that contradicts

'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' saith the Lord of hosts.
 

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The three beasts in Daniel 7 which would lose their empires but live on is Britain the lion and Russia the bear and Germany the leopard.

jesus christ man, can you please tone down the american? i lose brain cells reading your posts.
Again the 4 beasts all ruled jerusalem/the jewish people and the holy temple.
Everyone already knows they were Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.
Even still let me entertain this dumb logic of yours

So britain is the 1st beast, russia the 2nd, germany the 3rd and the 4th is the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE??
that doesnt correlate with real history at all.
Besides all 4 beasts were also described in the Image in Daniel 2, in that chapter, the image was also explained.
Nebuchadnezzar's great statue dream represent Babylon as the head of gold and MedoPersia as the chest of silver and Greece as the hips of bronze and Rome as the legs of iron.

The legs are long and the Roman empire was revived as the Holy Roman empire which was revived as the German empire and for a short time before being mortally wounded in war the Third Reich. There will be a Fourth Reich.

Now the composition of the Fourth Reich or revived Third Reich will also include Britain the lion and Russia the bear. And that is understandable as they all share the same Royal family. Behind the scenes out of sight the real rulers of nations are the blue bloods... as it always was.

The ten toes or horns or kings without kingdoms are perhaps heirs of royals who lost their kingdoms after WW1/2 and are working with the composite end time beast to reclaim their inheritance.



The dimensions of that flying (sc)roll is the same as a submarine launched ballistic missile and the nuclear warhead is described as a fire within the metal in a basket or container of about 30 liters.
The flying scroll
I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide
That is, about 30 feet long and 15 feet wide or about 9 meters long and 4.5 meters wide

Typhoon Class submarines have a length of 175m, beam of 23m and draught of 12m
yeh way to go making shit up you dopey twat.
I take it by the way you talk that you don't want any part of the kingdom of God.

You need to watch your filthy mouth man and start to floor those knees in repentance.

I am not talking about a submarine but a submarine launched ballistic missile.



So we can understand from Zechariah 5 that God will use nukes to destroy thieves and perjurers together with their houses.
lmfao
wow
God will drop nukes, but only on the houses of the wicked...so if you've been a good boy, you won't be harmed by a nuke destroying an entire city, nor will nuclear radiation harm you.
That's right.
 
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Nebuchadnezzar's great statue dream represent Babylon as the head of gold and MedoPersia as the chest of silver and Greece as the hips of bronze and Rome as the legs of iron.

The legs are long and the Roman empire was revived as the Holy Roman empire which was revived as the German empire and for a short time before being mortally wounded in war the Third Reich. There will be a Fourth Reich.

Now the composition of the Fourth Reich or revived Third Reich will also include Britain the lion and Russia the bear. And that is understandable as they all share the same Royal family. Behind the scenes out of sight the real rulers of nations are the blue bloods... as it always was.

The ten toes or horns or kings without kingdoms are perhaps heirs of royals who lost their kingdoms after WW1/2 and are working with the composite end time beast to reclaim their inheritance.





I take it by the way you talk that you don't want any part of the kingdom of God.

You need to watch your filthy mouth man and start to floor those knees in repentance.

I am not talking about a submarine but a submarine launched ballistic missile.




That's right.

I think you have to be a total dickhead to believe what you do like magically deciding Zechariah 5 is about a nuke and that God will detonate it.
Plus you're a liar who accused my religion of worshipping a false God despite our theology openly declaring the God of Abraham to be the true God. So by outright lying about my religion you internally justify the idea of Muslims being nuked...by Jesus no less since you believe he is God.

My language is the only sane response possible when reading such dog shit ideas.

Plus of course it is a complete misinterpretation of Zechariah 5 which was a prophecy about the Jews going into exile in Babylon.
 

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I think you have to be a total dickhead to believe what you do like magically deciding Zechariah 5 is about a nuke and that God will detonate it.
That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.

Plus you're a liar who accused my religion of worshipping a false God despite our theology openly declaring the God of Abraham to be the true God.
Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.

So by outright lying about my religion you internally justify the idea of Muslims being nuked...by Jesus no less since you believe he is God.
I don't know what cities will be nuked except Babylon the Great which is the city reigning over the kings of the earth.
 
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That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.


Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.


I don't know what cities will be nuked except Babylon the Great which is the city reigning over the kings of the earth.
That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.
mate, the chapter is about jewish exile to Babylon, it has nothing todo with nukes and if you think you have a spirit in you telling you that, then God help you, it's not a good spirit in you.

Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.
before I even read this, let me reiterate a few truths
what is islamic tawheed/belief?

1) Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qub (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilah (god - Allah), the Ilah (god) of your fathers, Ibrahim (abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), One Ilah (god), and to Him we submit (in Islam)."
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #133)

(2) Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Truly, my Lord has guided me to a Straight Path, a right religion, the religion of Ibrahim (abraham), Hanifa [i.e. the true Islamic Monotheism - to believe in One god (Allah i.e. to worship none but Allah, Alone)] and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (See V.2:105)."
(سورة الأنعام, Al-An'aam, Chapter #6, Verse #161)


in our minds, we know our religion tells us to believe in the same God as the prophets of Israel/the old testament. At the very least you should respect that muslims consciously worship that God.
to even suggest we worship an IDOL, it's obvious you are lying to yourself more than anything else. No one can be dumb enough to legitimately believe that, it is more a case of another faux christian lie against islam out of envy.


here, let me OWN you silly once again
Isaiah 14
14 The Lord will have compassion on Jacob;
once again he will choose Israel
and will settle them in their own land.
Foreigners will join them
and unite with the descendants of Jacob.
2 Nations will take them
and bring them to their own place.
And Israel will take possession of the nations
and make them male and female servants in the Lord’s land.
They will make captives of their captors
and rule over their oppressors.


meanwhile, in the Quran it says

Surah 17
104 And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام on the earth], We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations).


the only difference is we believe this will occur when Jesus descends and hence the redemption of israel, the gathering of the tribes etc will be through Jesus....NOT the house of Rothschild and a nuclear armed state of israel made up of athiestic jews.
 
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Looks like the land is starting to really flourish.

Dalit, Amos 9 was talking about the jewish return from captivity in Babylon.
Also, i don't know if you know this secret about the earth..but if you plant seeds in fertile earth, they will grow into plants/trees that'll produce fruit.
During captivity in babylon, the holy land was deserted and not in thebest of nick...
However before the establishment of the modern state of israel, the land called palestine was flourishing..

does that mean when jews were planting seeds/trees during the centuries of muslim rule, when those trees produced fruit, it meant they were living in the messianic kingdom?
the longest lasting period of peace in that land was under muslim rule from the conquest of jerusalem by Salahuddin into recent times. This would have been much longer but fanatical christian zealotry spoilt the peace in that land by butchering muslims aswell as jews.
i've read the old testament, when was there lasting peace in the holy land under jewish control?
in the old testament era, all jews did was spill blood there.
 

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Dalit, Amos 9 was talking about the jewish return from captivity in Babylon.
Also, i don't know if you know this secret about the earth..but if you plant seeds in fertile earth, they will grow into plants/trees that'll produce fruit.
During captivity in babylon, the holy land was deserted and not in thebest of nick...
However before the establishment of the modern state of israel, the land called palestine was flourishing..

does that mean when jews were planting seeds/trees during the centuries of muslim rule, when those trees produced fruit, it meant they were living in the messianic kingdom?
the longest lasting period of peace in that land was under muslim rule from the conquest of jerusalem by Salahuddin into recent times. This would have been much longer but fanatical christian zealotry spoilt the peace in that land by butchering muslims aswell as jews.
i've read the old testament, when was there lasting peace in the holy land under jewish control?
in the old testament era, all jews did was spill blood there.
Hi, Aspiring Soul. I've not studied Amos in depth, but now I will. Here's what I see from that passage upon a cursory reading.

I started reading with Amos 9:11-15, and in that day (Yom HaHu) is a phrase usually used in end time prophecies. Even though prophecies in the Tanach (OT prophetic books) had a past historical fulfillment, they also have a future fulfillment since we aren't living in the millennial reign of Mashiach (Messiah) by any means at this time. Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel, who is far more skilled and knowledgeable in the Torah and Tanach than I, says in his podcast (Israel Inspired: The Book of Ezra--A Modern Day Map for the End of Days, 2/13/18, The Land of Israel Network) that every prophecy in the Tanach was for the future. For some prophecies that was only 70 to about 200 years later. Yet history tends to repeat itself and things go in cycles and seasons. I believe there is a more of a cyclical pattern than a linear progression onwards and upwards.

Anyway, I really just put the video here to show how the land is growing. It's not flourishing to the point of Amos 9:13-15 yet, but I see the potential in that dry land that's slowly starting to spring to life. And I like Jeremy and Ari's enthusiasm and hope.
 
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That is what Zechariah 5 says so those who don't see it don't have the Spirit of Truth in them.
mate, the chapter is about jewish exile to Babylon, it has nothing todo with nukes and if you think you have a spirit in you telling you that, then God help you, it's not a good spirit in you.
We will wait and see won't we Wasp ?

It won't be long now... and where are the bible scholars warning about nuclear war ?

It's called the great tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of the world... and we got nukes... so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to connect two dots and come to the conclusion that nukes will fly.

And such a serious matter one would think was in God's book... and there it is in detail in Zechariah 5.



Isaiah 14 outed your idol as an impostor.
before I even read this, let me reiterate a few truths
what is islamic tawheed/belief?
...
in our minds, we know our religion tells us to believe in the same God as the prophets of Israel/the old testament. At the very least you should respect that muslims consciously worship that God.
to even suggest we worship an IDOL, it's obvious you are lying to yourself more than anything else. No one can be dumb enough to legitimately believe that, it is more a case of another faux christian lie against islam out of envy.
God's book is the Bible.

And in the bible God has a Son...but in the quran God do not have a Son.

That's just one example and in Isaiah 14 a renegade angel is foretold to establish his throne on Mount Zion.

Again you don't have to be a brain surgeon to connect two dots and understand that God is talking about the god or idol of Islam.
 

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Israel should take William Wallace's advice:

"Lower your flags and march straight back to England (or wherever you came from), stopping at every (Palestinian)home you pass by to beg forgiveness for (almost) a hundred years of theft, r*pe, and murder.” -- Braveheart, William Wallace
 

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These are just some of the notes I have been taking while I have been trying to research the evidence to support the location we are calling Israel considering there is no evidence this location was ever known as Israel throughout history. They comprise opinions that contradict at times, but I thought someone else might be interested in the actual archeology of the area. So here are my thoughts and the references for you to investigate for yourselves.

Starting with the ugarite texts that were found in Syria in 1982 that represent original cuneiform writings. It is good to keep in mind that nothing in the Bible exists as a cuneiform original, and you would assume that this is the original form that they would be in. Where is the Old testament in the original cuneiform? It is assumed that the Ugarite texts represent evidence of the early Canaanites, which is fascinating.

The cuneiform writings of the ugarite texts are said to be the closest to what we consider Hebrew as well. They use El to refer to God and there are many similarities to the writing on these tablets and Hebrew writing.

They also include an interesting reference to a people known as Habiru. This is an article about the connection between Habiru and Hebrew by someone who describes himself as a secular Jew who was raised by Jewish progressives. https://www.newenglishreview.org/Robert_Wolfe/From_Habiru_to_Hebrews:_The_Roots_of_the_Jewish_Tradition/

It is interesting to note his comments on the response he received from progressives when he tries to present the connection that can be made between Habiru and Hebrew. The main problem that his research creates is that it contradicts some aspect of the recorded history of the Hebrews in the Bible so that people are not inclined to see his findings as evidence.

I think he makes a fantastic case. He says that the Habiru reference which is present all throughout the ancient world actually to a sort of slander in the ancient world. It is like being called a slave. The author's response to this,

"The best way of finding out how the Habiru felt about being called “Habiru” is by examining how the Hebrews felt about being called “Hebrew.” All the texts which mention the Habiru were written by others and therefore don’t reflect a Habiru point of view, but the Hebrews had ample opportunity to make their views known. And the first thing which every Biblical scholar has noticed about the way the term “Hebrew” is used in Tanach is that it is hardly used at all. In the whole of Tanach, the term “Hebrew” appears only 33 times. In the Torah, the Hebrews are almost always described as the “sons of Israel” (“b’nei Israel” in Hebrew, usually translated as “children of Israel” or “Israelites”). In the later books of Tanach other terms are used, but hardly ever “Hebrew.” "

So the scriptures seem to support the historical evidence that the term was used with negative connotations rather than the way we see the term today.

It is in this article or this one http://www.imninalu.net/Habiru.htm that discusses the wandering nature of the Habiru and how they can be found in multiple locations including southern Mesopotamia, western Arabia, Egypt, and Canaan. There was not a fixed location where these people existed.

The second article says that "What is remarkably interesting is that the ancient peoples ascribe to the Habiru a mysterious relationship with the Divinity. In Hittite documents, long lists of gods are invoked to protect the treaties. They include deities from many different regions and people. The curious nature of this invocation is illustrated by a treaty with Egypt. This list concludes with the following words: "and so on to... and the Hapiri Gods...". Significantly the Hapiru/Habiri Elohim had special mention, and although they are not identified by Name, they also could not be forgotten."

The Habiri also have a history of bondage documented by the Egyptians that would justify the account in Exodus to a certain extent.

The article about the Hyksos from the same website is also fascinating. http://www.imninalu.net/Hyksos.htm

Basically, what this means is that there was a corruption of the text in the time surrounding the second temple period so that most everything regarding the exile up through the books of Maccabees is corrupted information that is likely to be connected with the disappearance of the Phoenicians who were traders and descendants of the Canaanites.

There was a corruption, assumed identity, and forced conversion. It is recognized on Wikipedia that when the Hasmonean dynasty was able to assume power, they used this power to force conversion to Judaism, which increased the number of people identifying as Jews in the time of Christ even though these people were not descended from the group this identity originated from.

"Hyrcanus conquered Transjordan, Samaria,[65] Galilee, and Idumea (also known as Edom), and forced Idumeans to convert to Judaism:
Hyrcanus ... subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, (25) and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time, therefore, this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.[66]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty
There is also a book by a Israeli professor called The Invention of the Jewish People that discusses the same thing.

"Sand argues that it is likely that the ancestry of most contemporary Jews stems mainly from outside the Land of Israel and that a "nation-race" of Jews with a common origin never existed, and that just as most Christians and Muslims are the progeny of converted people, not of the first Christians and Muslims, Jews are also descended from converts. According to Sand, Judaism was original, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion, and mass conversions to Judaism occurred among the Khazars in the Caucasus, Berbertribes in North Africa, and in the Himyarite Kingdom of the Arabian Peninsula." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People

This supports the theory that the Habiru are the true historical Israelites as they are not recorded as maintaining sovereign hold of any location in particular. The only people who have a recognized "claim" to the land we call Israel that is legitimately recorded in history were the Canaanites who are probably responsible for the corruption of the text that makes the assumption that the land belongs to the Jews.

Why would they do this? According to the Ugarite texts, they didn't really like the Habiru, which is evidenced by referring to them as Habiru, which is a form of slander.

The Habiru are also recognized within writings that can actually be considered ancient as having mystical qualities. There is a book called The Secret Society of Moses. I have not read a whole lot of it yet, but so far it is about how the genealogy of Moses is hidden and used as the foundation for the creation of secret societies.

This is an interesting point that I had not considered. The genealogy of Moses is lost in the Bible and few people question why we don't recognize the descendants of Moses in later parts of the text. It is my early prediction that this contributes to the motivation to corrupt the text in some way and this motivation persists in attempts to corrupt the text of the early church and gain control over this new group through the creation of the Catholic church.

This is an article about Josephus who is supposedly descended from a special priest class, the cult of Mithras, and the creation of the Catholic church http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html

This would eventually lead to further corruption of the original Septuagint translation into the Masoretic text in order to control the conflict created by the early followers of Jesus by corrupting the verses pertaining to the coming of the Messiah and verses that would be considered verbatim quotes from the New Testament; so that today, we are living in bondage of thousands of years of corruption. This is what the prophecy refers to as the mystery of lawlessness that will be revealed so that all things can be restored.

Christ came to set the captive free.

Finally, I believe continuing this investigation will further prove that what we call the state of Israel is what the prophecy refers to as mystery Babylon and it will eventually fall because it has been built on multiple layers of deception that have increased to the point of creating apostacy from the message of Christ.
Bolded part....where does that leave the Crusades and or the Crusaders? Or the well-connected christian networks that have their cameras overlooking Olivet to capture the Second Advent.

On second thought, your hypothesis just might be a nice idea for Project BlueBeam and i can only imagine how Christendom will react to and adjust to the 'new developments'.
 
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