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rainerann

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The thing with Warren is so ridiculous, I can’t even believe people are talking about it like it is news or like there is any way to discuss it and sound informed and intelligent. This is a gossip mill is what a discussion on Warren is and it is literally like people are getting a kick out of making fun of someone for no apparent reason other than that people are clearly so dumb, a discussion like this has the potential to be considered political discussion. They also clearly don’t know when to quit and take a break and are either burned out and becoming bullies or are naturally bullies on a regular basis. It wouldn’t surprise me that some people who are blogging about this and continuing to spread this junk could legitimately think it is the same thing as discussing the budget or social security. My gosh.

This stuff about warren is superficial gossip and people should stop spreading this around. If people stopped talking about it, maybe we could move on to talking about something that is actually important. It really is like, so what, leave her alone and I am not a warren supporter. Far far from it.
 

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My Italian fathers parents objected to him marrying my mom since she’s Sicilian.. why do mainland Italians discriminate against southern Italians and primarily Sicilians? Because way back when Sicily was invaded by Africans, so to a mainland Italian all Sicilians are part black. We are talking far more removed then a great greAt great grandparent who’s name is still recallable.
I can confirm this. My father was born in northern Italy and making fun of Sicilians was quite a frequent thing for him and his family. My sister had a Sicilian boyfriend once and my father even joked about that too. Not too surprising since northern Italians tend to have more German or Austrian blood and there is a dislike for black people present in their culture.
 

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Technically, there is a book I read on eugenics a long time ago called War Against the Weak that talked about early American census keeping that included keeping track of a very distant Native American or African American ancestor as a way of determining that you were not pure white.

So legitimately this is something that took place at one point where you would experience discrimination for having a distant Indian or black relative no matter how many generations ago they lived. I don’t even know that much about warren or her background. She is from the north? The north was just as racist, possibly even more racist than the south in many ways.

It is very possible that she grew up with a legitimate empathy towards this account within her family history because we grew up in a different generation that saw persevering through experiences like this as something to be proud of.

The only thing that is wrong with her saying anything is the fact that everyone won’t stop saying something about it. If people stop talking about it, the only person who enjoys this story is warren, which is the way it should be.

I could follow people who are presently talking about this like it is their morning coffee when they were talking about things that actually mattered or had the potential to affect me personally. Warren’s family stories..I don’t need to know them. I don’t care. They don’t influence how I see her as a public servant, and talking about them is only making everyone who is doing it look like they have no class.
 

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I can confirm this. My father was born in northern Italy and making fun of Sicilians was quite a frequent thing for him and his family. My sister had a Sicilian boyfriend once and my father even joked about that too. Not too surprising since northern Italians tend to have more German or Austrian blood and there is a dislike for black people present in their culture.
Not surprising, no. But stupid as heck imo. My mom is actually way paler then my dad. Go figure.

@rainerann its just a way to distract and try to discredit, harp on this story rather than address all the really important more complicated stuff that’s going on. Even here in this thread I called out four lies and this is the one that is focused on and the rest ignored.

it’s natural human impulse to defend oneself so I completely get her actions today.
 

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What don't I get here? It is okay for some to speak of lies and others not? Do a few posts constitute not letting go of something? And then this thread is rife with things people actually will not let go of yet some harp on this? So, we call out the stuff on Warren as superficial gossip and not all the other instances here? I guess the 18 or so posts in a row by someone were rational? I mean, we have MSM making up the most ridiculous things every day and some wonder why people will not on occasion dish back what is being directed at them? Yeah. Okay. Plenty of stones have been tossed and rational discussion is taken off the rails by others who are never called out for it. This is one issue -- one thing folks and some of you fail to see the obvious jest in posting. Umm, if someone is acting like they say others do, they are probably holding up a mirror. If it is not a big deal why are certain people upset or talking about it?
 
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What don't I get here? It is okay for some to speak of lies and others not? Do a few posts constitute not letting go of something? And then this thread is rife with things people actually will not let go of yet some harp on this? So, we call out the stuff on Warren as superficial gossip and not all the other instances here? I guess the 18 or so posts in a row by someone were rational? I mean, we have MSM making up the most ridiculous things every day and some wonder why people will not on occasion dish back what is being directed at them? Yeah. Okay. Plenty of stones have been tossed and rational discussion is taken off the rails by others who are never called out for it. This is one issue -- one thing folks and some of you fail to see the obvious jest in posting. Umm, if someone is acting like they say others do, they are probably holding up a mirror. If it is not a big deal why are certain people upset or talking about it?
Honestly, I can see the jest when you are posting about the subject because I don’t consider you to be a die hard trump supporter, but what do you think when every major news network is commenting on this story?

Especially when you consider that msm is basically worthless. Would you agree that this story is basically the equivilant of a gossip column? Especially when you consider the original source?

So when you have the same people who are agreeing with trump that msm is fake news gloating and reveling in this tabloid article as though it were a victory (and I am primarily referring the the q anon crowd as a major example but obviously there are other groups that are die hard trump fans), isn’t that the same thing as the left posting CNN articles as though they were articles from a scientific research journal?

It is the same thing and it is over something really minor as well. Maybe you could almost look at it like a trap if you wanted to, I would almost expect this reaction from the die hard trump supporters because they have clearly been sucked into what could almost be called a trap even though I haven’t come across this.

So even if what you are saying is in jest, this Warren story is actually another msm story the same as all the other stories that are more locally specific to this thread that are being rejected in support of trump.

The warren revelation is revealed and promoted by msm, not an independent trump supporter who is exposing something in an effort to demonstrate this to be some sort of lack of integrity within the democratic party.
 

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The other two pieces of gossip flying around as though they were relevant to trump’s re-election campaign is the story about stormy daniels legal fees.

It’s just so funny that her go fund me account is going to pay trumps legal fees. Let’s just make as many memes as possible to get more support for trump from the people who would also make fun of things like this on a regular basis. Like casting bait and trying to catch more trump support like fish.

Next one is the one about Maxine waters because trump is just so cool for saying waters has a low iq.

So I would probably rank them with Daniels being the number one winner. Warren being two and waters being number three.

This is seriously what is passing itself off as political discussion right now in the interim before we start arguing back and forth about what trump did or didn’t do about healthcare and every other problem that never gets solved with any president.

One goes in talking smack about the last one until the next one goes in doing the same. I really didn’t like Hillary. I’m really glad she didn’t win, but I’m am also not liking what I’m seeing right now under trump either.
 

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Well certainly not military aid. I’m ok with food and medical aid (although I’m wary of the Government being in charge of that) but no arms sales, to anyone, anywhere.
The problem with humanitarian aid is that it rarely gets to the people that need it. What does get to people could be considered toxic. What good is a MRE to someone that had a healthy diet before (insert reason for aid).
 

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Even when you donate locally it's often squandered. Or the donation just lines some people's pockets. What I'm saying is all of that stuff is a sham. Gofundme? Wow, don't be a sucker people. Those people are probably taking your money and buying cocaine.

Don't get me wrong though. I love feel-good stories just as much as the next person. But in a way you are giving up control of some part of yourself. The same thing goes for politics. You are in effect stationery during all of that feeling good. You aren't going anywhere or really doing much of anything.

Which brings me to my last point. We are following bad leaders. And then making excuses for their behavior or excuses to why we aren't going to do a single thing about it. We aren't blind and the Illuminati isn't trying to make fools of us. We are just weak. Too primitive in most cases to see past our own faces.
 

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The thing with Warren is so ridiculous, I can’t even believe people are talking about it like it is news or like there is any way to discuss it and sound informed and intelligent. This is a gossip mill is what a discussion on Warren is and it is literally like people are getting a kick out of making fun of someone for no apparent reason other than that people are clearly so dumb, a discussion like this has the potential to be considered political discussion. They also clearly don’t know when to quit and take a break and are either burned out and becoming bullies or are naturally bullies on a regular basis. It wouldn’t surprise me that some people who are blogging about this and continuing to spread this junk could legitimately think it is the same thing as discussing the budget or social security. My gosh.

This stuff about warren is superficial gossip and people should stop spreading this around. If people stopped talking about it, maybe we could move on to talking about something that is actually important. It really is like, so what, leave her alone and I am not a warren supporter. Far far from it.
IMHO... SJW politicians (and forum members) being held accountable for their lies and juvenile rhetoric is important for the USA (and forum), revealing to those watching and listening, the absurdity and superficiality of The Narrative.

Maybe not a Warren-supporter...but a Trump-hater, so... isn’t that why you people want this to go away?

It is quite damaging to The Narrative when a leftist is revealed to have (actually) committed the cardinal sin of “cultural appropriation.” The façade is dropping and the leftist wet dream is turning into a nightmare. So much winning.:cool:
 

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Honestly, I am not a fan of Trump.... but the left has gone bananas. The left is at a point of frothing-at-the-mouth craziness. It needs to be checked. I have zero desire to see what will happen when it gets power again. They have gone way off the deep end.
 

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IMHO... SJW politicians (and forum members) being held accountable for their lies and juvenile rhetoric is important for the USA (and forum), revealing to those watching and listening, the absurdity and superficiality of The Narrative.

Maybe not a Warren-supporter...but a Trump-hater, so... isn’t that why you people want this to go away?

It is quite damaging to The Narrative when a leftist is revealed to have (actually) committed the cardinal sin of “cultural appropriation.” The façade is dropping and the leftist wet dream is turning into a nightmare. So much winning.:cool:
I would usually agree with you. When they are legitimate lies and juvenile rhetoric regarding legitimate issues. This is stupid and distracting.

Technically, Clinton is still not being investigated further by the Trump administration, and the Clinton campaign was filled with legitimate lies and juvenile rhetoric.

It is also hypocritical of the right to make a big deal out of cultural appropriation when they claim that cultural appropriation is not a big deal. Quite frankly, I am not on board that this is a big deal and I think that if this is all both sides of the media has to throw at Warren at the moment, then she she must be one of the more innocent members of Congress aside from her past support of Clinton who I would still like to see investigated. Although, who knows when trump supporters are going to be willing to question trump. From the looks of it, this will not happen anytime soon.

In addition to this, if you are going to say that you are one of the people who is joining in with the laughter over our president calling a woman “horseface” or saying that another woman has a low iq which are actually statements that are covered by major news networks like nbc right now in addition to this warren situation, than you are just as guilty of juvenile rhetoric.

Trumps camp is quickly becoming a club where people can’t question things the same way the left has become. Just one of the many reasons I refused to vote for trump during this last election. People were making way too many excuses for him then to be a viable option to seek any kind of real justice for our country and these excuses are snowballing to the point that they are blinding people from seeing the things that are still being ignored like the Clinton investigation. This was bound to happen. If you start making excuses for people, it is probably going to be difficult to stop without creating more damage and division in the process.

Edit to add: I am not a trump hater either. I just don’t believe that joining in with the bashing of warren for this is consistent with the position I have taken regarding this subject in the past.

For example, we have a thread specifically on cultural appropriation on this forum. I can’t remember what I said exactly, but I know if I started to defend that this was legitimate, it would contradict this. The same is true with subjects that are similar to this.

Going along with what many people on social media are saying in response to these msm news reports regarding warren would require me to make statements for social reasons rather than personal convictions. I dont know about you, but I don’t personally like to form political opinions based on social reasons.

So It is for personal consistency that I said what you are quoting, not because I hate trump or support warren.
 
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