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2 social artist awards in one year?
What is happening ..
Well afterall it's just a trophy made of metal or glass probably
. They have no problem in making them and distributing then even if they have to 5 or 10 times a year..
But seriously ... Twice? So our member was right about AMAs... :D..
It's weird really..

Must be... that another ritual might be needed.. Hence had to place the award show... Who knows ..
Award shows are no less than rituals now.. Or maybe they really are
 

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ok so I was wondering what kind of correlation does Nutella have with the devil... so I typed into google "jam of the devil" which happens to be a chili recipe? but I stumbled upon a meme which calls Nutella the jam of the devil because it is so addictive and you don't even realize when you've eaten the whole jar
so since rm is most likely on the internet and social media a lot, that may be what he was referring to?
but it's funny cause even instinctually as the words "devil" leave his mouth, his hands go up and do those signs, as well as jimin
so no one can feign ignorance, or pretend that they (the boys) "don't know what the signs mean", because they've shown us clearly that they do
True..
Now the brainwasheds can't say..
Oh no he pulls the i love you sign....

Well guess what he never loved you.. He knows only... LOVE MYSELF :D.. Either by hook or by crook he will love himself
 

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JK broke down crying towards the end of the show. They may very well use this in the next Burn the Stage...:rolleyes:
The company taught them how to use fake tears really well..
In the *tear* album..
I'm not saying he might be fake crying.. But they have experienced this thing with tears. In the concept photos of tear album. With tears running down the eyes and red eyes.. That's enough for them to pull the stunts again and again .. Because you only hesitate the first time...

Burn the stage 2 is going to be very popular this time... Because now it will involve injury and tears ... 1 Member sitting on stage thing..
 

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Hello there, new member ! Welcome to the thread. Hope you get enlightened here.
Well, we have discussed the concept before, but I know you still have to catch up. What I have personally noticed in the whole LY series is the bare truth that people still can't grasp. I won't go deep into religious explanation as I don't believe in any particular one. I just believe there is a god, but I haven't read any religious books. Anyways, I'll try to explain it logically. Look at the whole plot : falling in love, believing your dna knows that this is fate, going through euphoria in a supposed "utopia", suddenly trying to hide away your flaws, faking it for the sake of love, getting sick of the fake love and then....bam! "epiphany", realising you need to love yourself and leave the other's love behind. I mean, only fake people can think this is the right way to do it. It is ofc important to love yourself, because you get to spend the whole life with yourself, but think about the other side of the coin. Let's suppose you are the one falling for a fake person like this, who in the end leaves you just to love himself cause he suddenly "became aware he hasn't been doing it thus far", what would you think about him ? Would you look at him the same ? Is a person like this even worth loving anyways ? Even more, are you the one to blame for breaking his heart, or is he the motherfucker who should be apologizing for feeding you fake love on the first place ? (Sorry for the words)
This is what people fail to see. They take
Hello there, new member ! Welcome to the thread. Hope you get enlightened here.
Well, we have discussed the concept before, but I know you still have to catch up. What I have personally noticed in the whole LY series is the bare truth that people still can't grasp. I won't go deep into religious explanation as I don't believe in any particular one. I just believe there is a god, but I haven't read any religious books. Anyways, I'll try to explain it logically. Look at the whole plot : falling in love, believing your dna knows that this is fate, going through euphoria in a supposed "utopia", suddenly trying to hide away your flaws, faking it for the sake of love, getting sick of the fake love and then....bam! "epiphany", realising you need to love yourself and leave the other's love behind. I mean, only fake people can think this is the right way to do it. It is ofc important to love yourself, because you get to spend the whole life with yourself, but think about the other side of the coin. Let's suppose you are the one falling for a fake person like this, who in the end leaves you just to love himself cause he suddenly "became aware he hasn't been doing it thus far", what would you think about him ? Would you look at him the same ? Is a person like this even worth loving anyways ? Even more, are you the one to blame for breaking his heart, or is he the motherfucker who should be apologizing for feeding you fake love on the first place ? (Sorry for the words)
This is what people fail to see. They take the lyrics like it's part of a story, but most of them miss the critical eye. Have you ever asked an army if they ever felt the lyrics personal, like they could depend on them ? Mostly would say yes, "they are healing and meaningful". Yes, they are cleaner than 90% of the lyrics out there, but why don't you ask yourself how can these lyrics relate with the storyline and should you look for another layer of meaning ? Unfortunately, most armys are lacking in this part, that's why a group like beetees is still killing the charts as we speak. People are blind and dumb and for as long as this doesn't change, they will one day conquer the world. Also, an advice from me : Don't even pray for them, just read the "I'm fine" lyrics and you'll understand that they don't need saving or prayers. I might as well do a lyric analysis these days and show you what I
Guys... Guess what, they're getting a movie.
Yes i agreee, i was horrified when i listened to the song "I'm fine" the lyrics literally preach a cultic way thinking Convincing people into thinking that they are powerful enough to fix their problems alone. For example , In the lyrics RM says "I am my own saviour" this shows how prideful and concieted his way of thinking is..He holds himself highly enough to believe he is some sort of saviour who can dictate his entire existance. Humans can only handle so much. There will be a point where our troubles and pains will soon out run us, where we would no longer be able to control our battles ourselves. As a christian i believe that this where God comes into play. God intervenes himself or works through others to help us. But this song is saying otherwise. Also the song in the song "I'm fine" somehow correlates to a recent speech that Namjoon said in Citfield. After the concert ended Namjoon said "I'm sorry i used you to love myself, it was never my intention, i hope you can use me to love yourself". Well those words of RM made me question the entire meaning of the song. Now i feel as if they were indriectly speaking to Army. Saying that they dont need them anymore. They are fine now and can finally "let go of your hand". Before they really depended on army alot to fufil their motive which to me is fame and success.


Yep, I'm serious. I wish I was joking
As of making army pay for Burn the stage 1 on youtube red isnt enough . Now they are making a movie out of it. Wow.... Really milking the heck out of armys bank accounts.
 
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Yes i agreee, i was horrified when listened to the song "I'm fine" the lyrics literally preach the new age movement. Convincing people into thinking that they are powerful enough to fix their problems alone. For example , In the lyrics RM says "I am my own saviour" this shows how prideful and concieted his way of thinking..He holds himself highly emough to believe he is some sort of saviour whp dectate his entire existance. Humams can only handle so much. There will be a point where are troubles and pains will soon out run us, where we no longer be able to control our battles ourselves anymore. that is where God comes imtp play.With he intervines himself or works through others to help us.Also the song "I'm fine" some hoe correlates to the speech that Namjoon said in Citfield. After the concert ended Namjoon said "I'm sorry i used you to love myself, i hope you cam use me to love yourself". Well those words of RM made me quesrion the entire meaning of the song.Now i feel as if they were imdriectly speakomg to Army. Saying that they domt need them anymore.Before they depemded on to fufil their self love, self doubt and insecurities.To get them tbroyfh hard times and learn tk love tbemselves
But now they are fine a d now feel powerful , comfidant amd got what they needed from army. They dont care anymlre becaise they are "fine now". Army basically just tools they used to make themselves feel better.

As of making army pay for Burn the stage 1 on youtube red isnt enough . Now they are making a movie out of it. Wow.... Really milking the heck out of armys bank accounts.
Right..
And burn t stage 2 is going to be having even more spice now..

And that using thing.
It's quite an odd statement he made..

He said.. " i used you guys to find happiness but it was never the intention .. And now you guys pls use me and use us and use beetees to find your happiness" ... Whattttt? ? ?

Ok rm used army. He is admitting.. In which way? We don't know that..
Same like d3vil will say on judgement day.. I used you... I was never your friend ..

And him asking to use them inturn.. Like how can people use you Rm? By buying more of your albums? By what means?

The statement was weird for me
 

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right! everyone was praising that quote but it's disconcerting to me.... the "I hope you guys use BTS for your happiness"... as you said, first of all, how would they even do that? by watching your endless and addictive content, by not prioritizing what truly matters in life and just streaming your videos or voting like robots? I feel like it would've made more sense to say , "you guys have inspired us, I hope we inspire you to live life to the fullest and follow your dreams blablabla" but no. he mentions happiness. as if he's already concluded that his fans are in fact, not happy to begin with, and need to depend on bangtan for their happiness. That's fostering such dependence on an already unhealthily addictive group.
people should get happiness from God, their families, friends, by living a life of gratitude, by doing what they love, by helping others etc...
I don't see how telling your fans to use you to make themselves happy is a good thing. it's like :
1) you assume they are not happy to begin with ( and we talked about before how BH sent out surveys and asked fans extremely personal questions about their mental health)
2) you are telling your fans that only YOU can make them happy, that they can use You and your music to make them happy

they enjoy that dependance ARMY has for them, they want their fans drunk on their content, the flashy clothes, music, smiles, fan-service, and go through life thinking they're happy and fulfilled , only to realize they've just been witnessing someone else's life and not once living their own

they don't want to be just a wonderful music group that fans would listen to and watch occasionally...no...they want to be their fans whole life
Yeah.. Right

He is really good in playing with words and the subconscious minds of fans..
Like a psychologist would ..
Might have help from b4ngpd .. Who is said to be a psychologist..

What more way can people use you.. Except to stream tour content and buy bon voyages and burn the stages ..

It all leads the way to their bank accounts ..
 

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Right..
And burn t stage 2 is going to be having even more spice now..

And that using thing.
It's quite an odd statement he made..

He said.. " i used you guys to find happiness but it was never the intention .. And now you guys pls use me and use us and use beetees to find your happiness" ... Whattttt? ? ?

Ok rm used army. He is admitting.. In which way? We don't know that..
Same like d3vil will say on judgement day.. I used you... I was never your friend ..

And him asking to use them inturn.. Like how can people use you Rm? By buying more of your albums? By what means?

The statement was weird for me
Yes i really thought i was the only one that thought the statement RM made at was distrubing. Many people were praising it and not realising how dangerous it is for us depend on BTS for our happiness. I used to think that it was my fault and lack of self control that caused me to be addicted to BTS. But , it seems that they know exactly what they're doing. The fact that people are literally working to pay for merch , save up for concerts , bonvoyage and burn the stage. Also not forgetting the amount of CDs army buy in korea hoping they can get a meet and greet ticket. It crazy to think i thought it was normal to sit at home streaming the same song for 10 hours and voting like 100 times a day for several different things that have no meaning to me. They tend to prey on vulnerable the most. Praying on them to form some sort of emtional attachement to BTS and manipulating them into putting there own life on hold just for the sake of fufiling their own happiness. Accept army can't do the same.

Also can you believe they were selling the lastest album at a store called "Asda" in london for "£22" to pay for their private jet. !!!WTF is if they dont already have enough money.
 
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Yes i really thought i was the only one that thought the statement RM made at was distrubing. Many people were praising it and not realising how dangerous it is for us depend on BTS for our happiness. I used to think that it was my fault and lack of self control that caused me to be addicted to BTS. But , it seems that they know exactly what they're doing. The fact that people are literally working to pay for merch , save up for concerts , bonvoyage and burn the stage. Also not forgetting the amount of CDs army buy in korea hoping they can get a meet and greet ticket. It crazy to think i thought it was normal to sit at home streaming the same song for 10 hours and voting like 100 times a day for several different things that have no meaning to me. They tend to prey on vulnerable the most. Praying on them to form some sort of emtional attachement to BTS and manipulating them into putting there own life on hold just for the sake of fufiling their own happiness. Accept army can't do the same.

Also can you believe they were selling the lastest album at a store called "Asda" in london for "£22" to pay for their private jet. !!!WTF is if they dont already have enough money.
22 pounds? :oops:

Maybe it was some re seller
 

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22 pounds? :oops:

Maybe it was some re seller
No Honey i personally went to the shop to see myself and here is a poc here. It was also sold online but it is out of stock now. Unbelivable how army are okay with this and buying it casually. Army were telling people who complained " i know its expensive but lets buy and support them no matter what and they really need this so its fine". Like WTF.IMG_20181010_145531.jpg
 
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No Honey i personally went to the shop to see myself and here is a poc here. It was also sold online but it is oit of stock now.Unbelivable how army are okay with this and buying it casually. Like WTF. View attachment 16092
Well... Umm.. That's weird.. Didn't hear this anywhere on twitter..
People are okay.. Because beetees already found a way for that to keep people shushed.. And that way is.. Telling people they donate to unicef..
 

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You should watch this video:


shippers make it about taekook but we know better. Someone else was in the room and the person might be a handler controlling what V was saying. Watch the full video!!
Did you notice the lgbtq propaganda? V said he wanted to sing a love song with Jimin but the director or somth said it doesn't make sense bc he should sing it with a girl so consequently the song won't be realised.

And how a fangirl reacted to this? Yes :"omg no :mad::mad::mad:what a mean man. I want this song to be realised. There is nothing wrong with the love between two men. It's even better than the one between a boy and a girl.. I mean look how cute V and Jimin are together o_O"

And also the fact he isn't bare faced in his hotel room.. it's obviously a roleplay.
 
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JK broke down crying towards the end of the show. They may very well use this in the next Burn the Stage...:rolleyes:
A YouTube Reaction channel I follow went to the concert in London and I watched their Jkay fan cam for Euphoria and I weirdly I burst out crying I had to go off it because I was so sad Weird idk where it came from
He really had the audacity to say that on Citifield ? Hell, that escalated quicker than I thought it would. I already have mentioned that Answer album is dedicated to the fandom and how they really see us, but since you started it and @wow requested it before, here I am dropping my thoughts. Judge for thyselves™.

! WARNING ! REALLY LONG POST AHEAD !

I'm Fine Lyrics Analysis, cause apparently Save Me wasn't enough.

I am gonna make some references in here from previous Save Me lyrics correlation and a bit of Genius explanation because they were blatant about the theme and need to be mentioned.

Open your eyes under the cold blue sky
The pouring sun makes me dizzy
My breath is quickening, my heart is racing
I can feel it so easily that I’m alive


So far so great, a good feeling lingering upon them, they are glad to be alive, which on the real contrasts the first verse of Save Me. It's useless to say that the whole song is the reverse of Save Me, cause that is more than obvious, in melody and lyrics alike. Just read this "I want to breathe, I hate this night, I want to wake up, I hate this dream, I’m trapped inside of myself and I’m dead, don’t wanna be lonely, just wanna be yours". The depressed state is now long gone and is instead replaced by positive feelings.

It’s alright, even if it’s not us
Even if sadness erases me
Even if there are clouds
Even if I’m in an endless dream
Even if I’m endlessly crumpled
Even if my wings are torn
Even if some day, I’m not me anymore
It’s alright, only I am my own salvation
I won’t ever die in this walk
How you doin? Im fine
My sky is clear
All pain, say goodbye
Goodbye


R#M, the king of irony back at it again. Idk why I feel like crying when I think that this is what they see us as. Save Me was my fav song, and now it has a whole different meaning thanks to this. Anyways, this verse contrasts this one :

Thank you for letting me be me
For helping me fly
For giving me wings
For straightening me out
For waking me from being suffocated
For waking me from a dream which was all I was living in
When I think of you the sun comes out
So I gave my sadness to the dog
(Thank you. For being ‘us’)

See how every line is the opposite of the other ?Went from thanking fans for making them who they are today, for giving them wings and the power to fly, saving from suffocation and darkness to saying goodbye so recklessly, cause apparently "My sky is clear" now. "Thank you" gets replaced by "Goodbye" (how convenient isn't it ?). According to Genius lyrics, this is inevitable because "relying on someone to save you just adds to the tendency of being hopeless". That is why, the example to be followed is to be your own saviour and love yourself first.

Well let me remind you, who put them in a high place like that ? Their own skills or their own fans ? Who voted for them, staying up late nights to stream and buy albums ? Maybe B4ngpd or manager S/jin ? Oh wait, they shouldn't be relying on anyone, but them, cause they fabulous and talented, aren't they ?

Anyways, now that they are higher than ever, they don't look forward to rely on anyone but themselves, meaning that probably all these unconditional love fans are feeding them with is just complementary, as they don't care even if "sadness, wings, dreams crumple". They already have achieved a hefty milestone and a heftier bank account with multiple zeros on it.

"I won't die in this walk" is really telling, as it is bluntly refering to being an idol. Don't all artists have the dream of their names being immortal on time ? The ego for being someone special people scream for and billboards make place for ? Even if they disband soon enough, their names will not be forgotten and that is what makes them more fine than ever. Even in this state, where they are at the peak of their careers, he emphasizes the fact that no matter what happens, they already reached what they wanted to, so even if all fans turn their back on them, they won't be disappointed. After all, aren't them the ones who are saying goodbye on the first place ??? They don't need validation anymore.

My cold heart
Has forgotten how to call you
But I’m not lonely, I’m fine, I’m fine
The darkness of the night
Shakes awake my sleeping dreams
But I’m not afraid, I’m fine, I’m fine


Now compare the lines with these ones :

Listen to my heartbeat
It calls you whenever it wants to
Because within this pitch black darkness
You are shining so brightly

The chorus is actually sad if you think about it. They once tried hopelessly calling a heart in the pitch darkness (remember that Save Me was actually in HYYH when they weren't that famous, so probably they needed fans more than ever at the time, a call for support ??? Idk, but seems highly possible). Now, their heart has grown so cold that calling is already a past that they don't even remember. Although there is still darkness in their ways (they are still idols and still pressured in contracts) they tell theirselves they are just fine. Instead of calling for help and reaching out for a bright light shining, they are convincing us that they don't need a hand of salvation anymore. A thing I noticed is that Genius didn't have any connotations about this verse. How convenient !

I'm feeling just fine, fine, fine
I'll let go of your hand now
I know I'm all mine, mine, mine
Cuz I'm just fine
I'm feeling just fine, fine, fine
I don't want to be sad anymore
I want to see the sunshine, shine, shine


The same theme repeating, they let go of the hand they were once wanting to save them. *sighs*. Also the sunshine may be a reference to enlightenment, maybe now they aim for more, being on top of everyone ? Idk, take it with a pinch of salt, but the doubt should still remain.

I’m just fine, all of my pain
I can overcome without you
I’m just fine, don’t worry
I can smile now
Because everyone knows your voice


JayH is consoling us and asking not to worry about them. The last line is quite interesting, cause it refers directly to us. Everyone knows our voice a.k.a. Everyone knows ARMY power. They can smile now because of us, but I don't see them thanking or even trying to return the love back. He only talks about himself. Selfish ? Mayhaps yes.

I’m so fine, you so fine
All of the sadness and scars
Became an old memory now
So let’s smile and let go, we so fine
I’m so fine, you so fine
Our future will only have happiness
So put away your fear
Enjoy it, you worked hard, we so fine


S/ga kinda relates to the Seesaw here. It's a sequel. Now that he jumped out the seesaw, he feels on top of the world. Nonetheless, this verse is different than JayH's. The "enjoy it, you worked hard" is kinda refering to us. Maybe it's another way of saying thanking you ? We can now enjoy the success with them, because that is what we wanted right ? We wanted them to be on top and we worked hard to get them there. He seems not as selfish as others in here. Maybe he thinks it's better to share the enjoyment of being free, unlike others. It may also be a double meaning, but for now I can't really penetrate through it.

Can you see it too?
The dim moonlight?


Now this part is way deeper than most think. Here is what Genius says about it, read til the end :

By mentioning the moon, these lines dive into a deeper interpretation of salvation. BTS has been able to find salvation for themselves, however they haven’t found it the way they initially thought they would. In this instance, they’re comparing this salvation to light. Most people immediately relate light to the sun, however BTS are referencing this light coming from the moon instead.
Considering the moon as a light source is ironic because the light from the moon is the reflection of the sun. It’s simply a more subdued version of the sun’s light. This fact expresses how BTS have been able to find salvation in the smaller, less expected things. We aren’t always saved by the extravagant and we aren’t always saved by what we anticipate.
BTS has additionally used this allegory before in their song “Blanket Kick” from their 2014 album Dark&Wild:

Conspiracy theories and satanism say hi. And don't even get me started on the picture associated with this explanation :
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Someone mentioned that the moon is the worship of satanists, because its light is fake. Also moonchild theories ? The moon has always been there with them, all along.

Can you hear it too?
That faint echo?


Umm... no ? I think these may be a reference to their voices calling us from far away, as sappy and romantic as it may seem. However, the most logical explanation is that the boys themselves are probably connecting to their previous selves, maybe the purest versions of them, since it's an echo and echos are the returned voices of the callers. They tried to call for help in Save Me, but now they only hear the faint echo of their voices. Their past voices are now barely audible, meaning they already have found another personality to live in, another hope to live for. It is quite possible to be a reference to alters, maybe the current alter is suppressing the past self, they can't hear their own authentic voice anymore. Maybe Mk ultra finally did its job ? Quite logical, knowing all the hints we have previously seen on them.

I'm feeling just fine, fine, fine
I'll yell it out myself
Casting a spell
On this repeating nightmare
I’m feeling just fine, fine, fine
I’ll keep telling myself
Even if I fall down again
I’m fine


The last verse, and probably the most self-explanatory one tbh. Casting a spell, yell it out, repeated nightmare, is probably reference to witchcraft and occult practices. Also a hint of Mk Ultra. Repetition is the key to creating alters and maintaining them, so the boys are probably repeating the words to themselves (or handlers are doing it for them, who knows) and trying to create an alternative to all the problems. Like a barrier. Even if they maybe happen to fall back into the depressed state of the past, they are going to use the practice to feel happy again. Mk ultra collapsing and returning again until the end of their careers.

Overall the song contains a lot of mixed notions, but the core remains the same, they found a way to feel happy, mk ultra or occult, or whatever illuminatti does nowadays to feel satisfied. The message for the fans is to stop praying or worrying about their wellbeing, as the hands we were once holding with them are already parted. Willingly.

They are continuing this road alone, they don't need our validation, love or time or whatever. A breakup is a breakup, literally and figuratively. Sadly, clarity hits harder when you think objectively, which most of people don't. I think fans are too busy worshipping them to actually pay attention to the lyrics. It's all nice and served for us, they are not the people we fell for when we joined this fandom. Maybe they never were, they just used us to climb to the top and then get rid of us for other higher goals.

I really regret many things I've done for them. It's a pity that it feels like you can't trust anyone these days. I am more sorry for all the blind armys out there. Those are the people we should be praying for, not the ones who used us, pretending to love us and then throwing us under the bus for their own materialistic intentions. This is the Answer everyone was talking about. If you really needed it, now you got it. But this was their answer, our answer can be a different one.

<< Remember that you can never survive as a wolf, if you act like a sheep. The world is a very dark place to be in, only the strongest and smartest find their way out. The rest follows the orders of their masters, who is probably another form of a Pied Piper. >>

We'll wait and see until next month. When the mv comes out, all these theories may or may not be true. It's your choice to believe them if you want. But I can also tell you one thing, there isn't a better explanation than this out there.

Peace <3
Thank you for this
Your analysis is truly amazing
 
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A YouTube Reaction channel I follow went to the concert in London and I watched their Jkay fan cam for Euphoria and I weirdly I burst out crying I had to go off it because I was so sad Weird idk where it came from
Thank you for this
Your analysis is truly amazing
Also £22 for an album I’m beyond shocked and fans are actually buying them
I saw them on the news in school today they’re reall everywhere taking over media here in the U.K.
 

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Did you notice the lgbtq propaganda? V said he wanted to sing a love song with Jimin but the director or somth said it doesn't make sense bc he should sing it with a girl so consequently the song won't be realised.

And how a fangirl reacted to this? Yes :"omg no :mad::mad::mad:what a mean man. I want this song to be realised. There is nothing wrong with the love between two men. It's even better than the one between a boy and a girl.. I mean look how cute V and Jimin are together o_O"

And also the fact he isn't bare faced in his hotel room.. it's obviously a roleplay.
Isn't he bare faced.? . I thought he was.. People said he looked rough while commenting and he said it's because he has no makeup on..
 

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Tenk you girl ❤ ! I really wanna spit it out before these things get old and I leave this thread.

Btw, "Burn The Stage : The Movie" is going to be out there on CGV by mid-November, in US and Australia too.

Is anyone interested in watching it ?
No not me.

I didn't even watch the episodes completely .. Just first and the v and jin fight ACT one
 

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Isn't he bare faced.? . I thought he was.. People said he looked rough while commenting and he said it's because he has no makeup on..
Nah that's a nice lie
I ordered korean foundation and realised that after you apply it it really seems that your skin is shiny and perfect (it has a good covering). Moreover he is wearing an even more expensive makeup so it might be even less obvious he has it on his face.
 
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