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Ugh, I hate when people come into this thread and bash people. :rolleyes: We're all mature people here (hopefully) and we've taken a step to look into the repetitive behaviours of our own faves. I think everything posted here is with a disclaimer and this is a conspiracy thread, so most stuff will be speculation.

Let's be nice to each other here, I want this thread to live! :)
 

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I'm here to read your conspiracy but it just seems like you're running out of ideas. I'm not trying to make you stop either, and if anything, some of your accusations are unrealistic
lmao wait, youre here to read our posts, but you said that we are running out of ideas??? wtf?? dont read our posts then, and you said you will be taking your leave, then leave already, bye take care love you sis <3
 

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Hi Guys :)
Next time,when you see messages that seem provocative just take a little break to evacuate all the negative emotions before replying to comments. Or deal with them privately. Or just ignore them.
Our mission is only to put the seed (of truth) into the soil and water it, not to make sure that the plant is growing the right way (1 Corinthians 3:6-7). We all have to learn how to deal with conflicts to avoid losing pages of important information :) <3
 

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Guys, I think I did something that was not really smart yesterday.....

In the afternoon, I was feeling a bit tired so I wanted to take a nap but the thought of clicking on the Vlive app came into my mind. When I did, I saw that RM had been on live for more than 50 minutes.
My hands started shaking XD.
When I knew what I wanted to ask and ready to press the enter button, the last five second of the video started to go on a loop (for everybody watching) then the broadcast stopped...
I was mad to have miss this opportunity. After reading some of the fans comments and ready to close the app, I saw that there was another live (nearly to end) being broadcasted by RM again.
I was really happy X).
I prayed and still with my shaking hands, I wrote my message and waited that his face was in front of the screen reading the comments then boom, I asked my question

'Is Bang PD nim...A PAEDOPHILE???'

I asked 3-4 times...I wish he was speaking in English. All I remember is him ignoring my questions or nodding just before the end (but it might have been to say bye to his fans)

Yeah....I don't know what I was expecting

Hours later when I wanted to go and look at the second live broadcast it was not there anymore. As if it has been deleted. Just no trace of it. So you wouldn't know that there were two parts unless you were there.

Also, when I wanted to check for the second live, my computer was running so slow and was loud. I was like 'what's going on?????' then I saw a notification at the bottom of the screen

' WARNING: SPYWARE DETECTED'

My brain just froze

Even today, I'm just laughing at what happened...Yep, life
 

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Guys, I think I did something that was not really smart yesterday.....

In the afternoon, I was feeling a bit tired so I wanted to take a nap but the thought of clicking on the Vlive app came into my mind. When I did, I saw that RM had been on live for more than 50 minutes.
My hands started shaking XD.
When I knew what I wanted to ask and ready to press the enter button, the last five second of the video started to go on a loop (for everybody watching) then the broadcast stopped...
I was mad to have miss this opportunity. After reading some of the fans comments and ready to close the app, I saw that there was another live (nearly to end) being broadcasted by RM again.
I was really happy X).
I prayed and still with my shaking hands, I wrote my message and waited that his face was in front of the screen reading the comments then boom, I asked my question

'Is Bang PD nim...A PAEDOPHILE???'

I asked 3-4 times...I wish he was speaking in English. All I remember is him ignoring my questions or nodding just before the end (but it might have been to say bye to his fans)

Yeah....I don't know what I was expecting

Hours later when I wanted to go and look at the second live broadcast it was not there anymore. As if it has been deleted. Just no trace of it. So you wouldn't know that there were two parts unless you were there.

Also, when I wanted to check for the second live, my computer was running so slow and was loud. I was like 'what's going on?????' then I saw a notification at the bottom of the screen

' WARNING: SPYWARE DETECTED'

My brain just froze

Even today, I'm just laughing at what happened...Yep, life
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JimiJymy

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Yep XD

Actually I watched that vlive too and i went “are you apart of an occult...” a few times lol (immature of me I know keu...regrets I feel silly.) idk if he read it (doubt it) but I swear in the moments i sent that he had a look of conflict on his face (jimin and hoseok has read my comments before)
I feel you my sister X). They keep throwing signs every single time now so, they better be prepared to explain themselves
 

JimiJymy

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What do you think would happen if the occult thing was trending? How would everyone react ?
Well...Army can be quite aggressive if you touch their boys so, BigHit better hid their CEO and managers/directors somewhere X).
But I also think that a lot of people misunderstand the meaning of being part of the occult that they wouldn't care and would join along...
 

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Actually I watched that vlive too and i went “are you apart of an occult...” a few times lol (immature of me I know keu...regrets I feel silly.) idk if he read it (doubt it) but I swear in the moments i sent that he had a look of conflict on his face (jimin and hoseok has read my comments before)
How's jimin and hoseok reaction?
 

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Guys, I think I did something that was not really smart yesterday.....

In the afternoon, I was feeling a bit tired so I wanted to take a nap but the thought of clicking on the Vlive app came into my mind. When I did, I saw that RM had been on live for more than 50 minutes.
My hands started shaking XD.
When I knew what I wanted to ask and ready to press the enter button, the last five second of the video started to go on a loop (for everybody watching) then the broadcast stopped...
I was mad to have miss this opportunity. After reading some of the fans comments and ready to close the app, I saw that there was another live (nearly to end) being broadcasted by RM again.
I was really happy X).
I prayed and still with my shaking hands, I wrote my message and waited that his face was in front of the screen reading the comments then boom, I asked my question

'Is Bang PD nim...A PAEDOPHILE???'

I asked 3-4 times...I wish he was speaking in English. All I remember is him ignoring my questions or nodding just before the end (but it might have been to say bye to his fans)

Yeah....I don't know what I was expecting

Hours later when I wanted to go and look at the second live broadcast it was not there anymore. As if it has been deleted. Just no trace of it. So you wouldn't know that there were two parts unless you were there.

Also, when I wanted to check for the second live, my computer was running so slow and was loud. I was like 'what's going on?????' then I saw a notification at the bottom of the screen

' WARNING: SPYWARE DETECTED'

My brain just froze

Even today, I'm just laughing at what happened...Yep, life
When I entered the fandom (back in 2015) I joined a V live with Suga and asked him why is he satanic a lot of times. Then I gave up and started asking him to sing for me lmao bc I wanted to laugh. After a while he started laughing nervously and turned all red; and I was asking myself if he actually understood my question ab satanism.
When I rewatched the live with eng subs I saw him saying “No, I won’t sing” and I was the only one asking for that.. So he might had read also the first question..
After that live he had not been doing any vlive alone for a very long time ( until 2017 I guess) .Maybe I scared him haha idk
Anyway I suggest you to take the courage and delete the app. It’s a big step on giving them up
 
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JimiJymy

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When I entered the fandom (back in 2015) I joined a V live with Suga and asked him why is he satanic a lot of times. Then I gave up and started asking him to sing for me lmao bc I wanted to laugh. After a while he started laughing nervously and turned all red; and I was asking myself if he actually understood my question ab satanism.
When I rewatched the live with eng subs I saw him saying “No, I won’t sing” and I was the only one asking for that.. So he might had read also the first question..
After that live he had not been doing any vlive alone for a very long time ( until 2017 I guess) .Maybe I scared him haha idk
Anyway I suggest you to take the courage and delete the app. It’s a big step on giving them up
I think you scared him X)
Yes, thanks for the advice :). Although, I did not download it to keep watching them all day long but to find an opportunity to post something, I didn't think that it could give the impression that I was running after them....It kinda hurts to see that some prefer to stay silence to keep their fame instead of exposing it all...
Thanks again, I have deleted the app :)
 

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Did you even read what I just said? As far as I remember I didn't create the thread so why would I want to make you believe that BTS are in the occult. There are hundreds of pages of people discussing it and i barely had any part in it. And ofc I know that none of this is to be take as facts, I'm not stupid like some of you who can't even look things up before researching
Why do come to this thread to insult people for real ? (Also i know the 6 in Korea can mean money and not the devil sign and other signs they do so stop saying everyone doesn't make any research on stuff )(i know some don't but that's not the issue here )
You do you bc in the end everything is a theory not facts but please don't come in here and believe it's alright to insult everyone
We never insulted the boys so why do you come here and think it's alright to insult people like that ????
 

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Guys, I think I did something that was not really smart yesterday.....

In the afternoon, I was feeling a bit tired so I wanted to take a nap but the thought of clicking on the Vlive app came into my mind. When I did, I saw that RM had been on live for more than 50 minutes.
My hands started shaking XD.
When I knew what I wanted to ask and ready to press the enter button, the last five second of the video started to go on a loop (for everybody watching) then the broadcast stopped...
I was mad to have miss this opportunity. After reading some of the fans comments and ready to close the app, I saw that there was another live (nearly to end) being broadcasted by RM again.
I was really happy X).
I prayed and still with my shaking hands, I wrote my message and waited that his face was in front of the screen reading the comments then boom, I asked my question

'Is Bang PD nim...A PAEDOPHILE???'

I asked 3-4 times...I wish he was speaking in English. All I remember is him ignoring my questions or nodding just before the end (but it might have been to say bye to his fans)

Yeah....I don't know what I was expecting

Hours later when I wanted to go and look at the second live broadcast it was not there anymore. As if it has been deleted. Just no trace of it. So you wouldn't know that there were two parts unless you were there.

Also, when I wanted to check for the second live, my computer was running so slow and was loud. I was like 'what's going on?????' then I saw a notification at the bottom of the screen

' WARNING: SPYWARE DETECTED'

My brain just froze

Even today, I'm just laughing at what happened...Yep, life
Ah :0
Well you should have probably asked the question in korean (running a translate page next to the live if u can't speak it so you can copy paste ) or smething else but idk that's just me XD
 

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Be careful o_o
If i was you i wouldnt have laughing XD
I would had come to theard and cry :'D

Also i want mention that this photo of them all give me the first time very evil vibes. Even suger i find him before kind and dont like to be evil and i dont get that much evil vibes from him but this pic personally show how they are. I dont know but for me they look here very evil. They have lost their innocent faces for this world. Also h0bi he was one of my favorites but know he changed a lot. Very sad... J1m1n looks very mk. His shook face give me a puppet face he is cute but this is not his natural aegyo you know? Also JayK that is the first time i saw the evil in his eyes not his usually bunny kind eyes.
What do you mean about this photo i really want to hear you opinion.

http://instagr.am/p/BnPtyVfnRXF/
They look so different and scary. I could barely look at this.
 

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I just remembered...they were in my dream last night where I met them at the airport through their manager but he was western, and we talked but then they left without saying goodbye and I was sad hahahaha, (I don’t think this has any symbolic significance) i did wake up feeling disturbed though, eery vibes from them all cuz they didn’t seen like themselves...very lifeless

What are your thoughts on this? If i took the Priest’s analysis to heart then I would also think nothing was wrong with idol but he has a point...they don’t say in the song explicitly titled ‘IDOL’ to worship them,, considering their fame and position rn this was an opportunity for that right? But they didn’t...little things like that make me doubt the occult thing a lot...
But I wonder how the priest would react to BST mv lol and if he says nothing about THAT then we know he isn’t very credible...

If you have based your entire occult/demonic theory on BST I have some good (or perhaps bad depending on your POV) news for you. Your presumption that Tae is a fallen angel/possesed is wrong.

This is going to be long but please read through it...

BTS's entire concept is fighting against the kpop industry/system from the start. Bang PD created bighit because he was sick of being restricted and to allow his trainees to have artistic freedom. That is why the boys write, compose and produce their own music. It's what sets them apart from the majority of the other Idols and why the industry tried so hard to silence them. BST is a continuation of this. It is calling out the industry.

The opening scene is of the boys playing around (riding bikes/slingshots etc) while dressed up nicely in a museum/art gallery like setting. They are clearly just kids playing dress up. (Also explains the concept pics - not pedo related) Jin is drawn to the painting. Him tilting his head to look at things, which he does often is significant. He is looking at things from a different angle, slowly seeing things that the industry doesn't want him to see. Jin isn't a time traveller, dead or any other thing that has been theorised. He represents the general public, the fans, ARMY. That is why he has the earpiece in, because the industry is telling him what they want him to believe. In the onstage prologue, the authority figure is telling him that the boys are blacklisted but he rejects that and puts on a vest with the boys signifying the birth of BTSxARMY. It is also why he always sees them through a lens, taking pics and video of them. It is what we as fans do. He sees them the way that we see them, always happy and having fun. If you watch the WINGS era mv you will see that any of the bad stuff doesn't happen when he is around them.

Back to BST, the mv is about temptation. The older guys represent the industry. They are trying to train the younger boys the same way that they have been trained because that is how it has always been done. Tae is an artist (graffiti) he is talented and wants to share his gifts with the world but the industry doesn't allow him this freedom. He needs to conform to their ideal of what an Idol should be. Therefore, they clip his wings. You see him constantly climbing onto high surfaces because he wants to spread his wings and fly. You also see him struggling in water, because he is drowning in the constraints of the industry. He is constantly fighting against it. You can see his duality in the mv when his expressions change. He also tries to get Jin to see through the illusion. He knocks down the house of cards that Jin builds in Run and it is only after Jin starts to see that something is wrong that he emerges from the water at the end of the mv.

In BST Jap version, you can see that JK's wings have also been clipped. Jimin runs from YG because he thinks that he isn't good enough to be an idol but in the end he gives in to temptation (apple) and the other version of him which symbolises his warring conscious is swept away.
Hoseok craves something sweet, the reason why he always has chocolate. The sweet thing that he craves is becoming an idol but the industry is 'too evil' because he needs to conform to their ideal to be accepted. He is associated with Eva because of the sacrifices his mother had to make to allow him to follow his dream.

In BST the boys all cover Jin's eyes, trying to hide what goes on behind the scenes. When Jin kisses the statue, symbolising his acceptance of the illusion of what the perfect idol should be, cracks appear and the boys blood, sweat and tears seep through.

This is a long, yet very brief overview. There is a lot more but the main message is that the boys are fighting against what the kpop industry ideal is. Fake Love, the notes and Idol are all part of the same message. The ending scene in the extended version of Fake Love where the boys are surrounded by the anonymous cloaked backup dancers then emerge dressed as one of them but with embellished robes and masks (birth of idols) is basically telling you that the industry doesn't care about the individuals behind the masks, they just care about the illusion that is presented to the fans. The stone wall falling is the final curtain drop at the end of a performance, but this curtain is solid rock and the audience is prevented from seeing what goes on behind the scenes.

Once you see past the whole fallen angel/time travel trope that has become popular you will see their actual message. Go back and watch the music videos from this perspective, taking into consideration all the struggles the boys have been through and you will see that it all makes perfect sense.

Please feel free to ask if anything is unclear, like I said there is a lot more, this is just a brief summary.
 

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No I didn’t base my whole occult theory on BST, but your thoughts are both interesting and enlightening. I did have a thought earlier on today about, “What if they’re really not against us? They’re doing this to reveal it all in the end? That they’re not actually on that side for real but jsut pretending to be in their alliance so they can reveal the truth?” I had these thoughts...your comment seems to align with that, that they’re attempting to expose things. I do think idol lyrics were quite little of substance though...and fighting against the ‘kpop ideal’ seems a bit shallow, I think they can do more with their platform then just focus on that. I think what they are doing (whatever they’re doing) is bigger than that.
In regards to your BTS and Fake Love cloaks & masks analyse, I can see it from your perpsective but I can also see it from an occultic allegience perspective due to the symbolism...maybe bts IS just a concept and story but the Fake love cloaks +masks =? Eyes wide shut reference really spooked me...
This bit is for me personally but before I even delved into Bts cult theory and was just a normal fan, I do remember thinking, “Wow he seems so different on stage. As if he’s possessed...” and then i read comments on here about that.

I do believe in spirituality, and I don’t take symbolism lightly and Bst is so littered with it and their religious connotations + free masonry imagery....but I can still excuse that as a concept to be honest. It’s not sufficient enough for me...

As someone who used to do art and create it, I did photography where I covered my half of my face with my hand etc, and with bags and masks...to be honest if I could achieve art on the scale that BTS does, then BST mv and their run and i need you mvs I would also do. I appreciate the aesthetic and deep symbolism. I used symbolism in my works as well but I never thought it to be a message that that I’m in a cult AND that’s comig from me who has read for years into these matters. (But obviously I’m not a famous important person anyway hahaha). So that’s why I can believe the MV’s are purely artistic (however I don’t know the director Lumpens intentions and his own agenda), but at the very least that the boys don’t know of it’s occultic significance.

but the lyrics of the album are concerning...especially Jimin’s lie. But again, this could perhaps he about himself and his own internal strifes is his “hell.” Dunno, not too sure really. Haha as you can see from my contradictory comments, I am still conflcited. I simply just don’t know what to believe. But if I were to look to hollywood and what they are doing...then what BTS is doing in their mvs etc, “seems” to be aligning with that.

As for the hand symbols, again, that could be coincidence. I’m not really one to use hand gestures as my solid evidence for accusing someone is in an occult.

What does make me wary is their completely unneccessary collaboration with Nicki Minaj....which goes against their unicef campaign etc because of her affiliations-who she is-etc etc AND the fact they are now signed on with Sony.

If this occultic stuff is not real and this just coincidence,, then Bighit really needs to do some fucking research before they do this shit like Sony and Minaj....(although Namjoon is the one who personally asked for the collab and I can see the resr of the bots just going along with it). But it’s sad and disappointing not just for me but other fans as well...especially the ones who have been here like me, before America...

Side note: I disagree with your comment abot Tae, it’s pretty clear he is representing a fallen angel if not lucifer with his clipped wings and sinister smirk.../ the narrative they are pushing with that, and in corroboration not just with the Luciferan novel Demian but with the other religious imagery such as the apple (Adam and Eve) etc as well.

No I didn’t base my whole occult theory on BST, and I never mentioned the time trope eithee. Your analysis seems to just be a theory about the meaning of their mvs...but our discussion is more than that. You also neglected to mention/ acknowledge the free masonry/ religious symbolism. Nonetheless your thoughts are both interesting and enlightening. I did have a thought earlier on today about, “What if they’re really not against us? They’re doing this to reveal it all in the end? That they’re not actually on that side for real but jsut pretending to be in their alliance so they can reveal the truth?” I had these thoughts...your comment seems to align with that, that they’re attempting to expose things. I do think idol lyrics were quite little of substance though...and fighting against the ‘kpop ideal’ seems a bit shallow, I think they can do more with their platform then just focus on that. I think what they are doing (whatever they’re doing) is bigger than that.
In regards to your BTS and Fake Love cloaks & masks analyse, I can see it from your perpsective but I can also see it from an occultic allegience perspective due to the symbolism...maybe bts IS just a concept and story but the Fake love cloaks +masks =? Eyes wide shut reference really spooked me...
This bit is for me personally but before I even delved into Bts cult theory and was just a normal fan, I do remember thinking, “Wow he seems so different on stage. As if he’s possessed...” and then i read comments on here about that.

I do believe in spirituality, and I don’t take symbolism lightly and Bst is so littered with it and their religious connotations + free masonry imagery....but I can still excuse that as a concept to be honest. It’s not sufficient enough for me...

As someone who used to do art and create it, I did photography where I covered my half of my face with my hand etc, and with bags and masks...to be honest if I could achieve art on the scale that BTS does, then BST mv and their run and i need you mvs I would also do. I appreciate the aesthetic and deep symbolism. I used symbolism in my works as well but I never thought it to be a message that that I’m in a cult AND that’s comig from me who has read for years into these matters. (But obviously I’m not a famous important person anyway hahaha). So that’s why I can believe the MV’s are purely artistic (however I don’t know the director Lumpens intentions and his own agenda), but at the very least that the boys don’t know of it’s occultic significance.

but the lyrics of the album are concerning...especially Jimin’s lie. But again, this could perhaps he about himself and his own internal strifes is his “hell.” Dunno, not too sure really. Haha as you can see from my contradictory comments, I am still conflcited. I simply just don’t know what to believe. But if I were to look to hollywood and what they are doing...then what BTS is doing in their mvs etc, “seems” to be aligning with that.

As for the hand symbols, again, that could be coincidence. I’m not really one to use hand gestures as my solid evidence for accusing someone is in an occult.

What does make me wary is their completely unneccessary collaboration with Nicki Minaj....which goes against their unicef campaign etc because of her affiliations-who she is-etc etc AND the fact they are now signed on with Sony.

If this occultic stuff is not real and this just coincidence,, then Bighit really needs to do some fucking research before they do this shit like Sony and Minaj....(although Namjoon is the one who personally asked for the collab and I can see the resr of the boys just going along with it). But it’s sad and disappointing not just for me but other fans as well...especially the ones who have been here like me, before America...

Side note: I disagree with your comment about Tae, it’s pretty clear he is representing a fallen angel if not lucifer with his clipped wings and sinister smirk.../ the narrative they are pushing with that, and in corroboration not just with the Luciferan novel Demian but with the other religious imagery such as the apple (Adam and Eve) etc as well.

Also, you analysis is contradictory because if they are fighting against the ideals of Kpop then why are you saying, “When Jin kisses the statue, symbolising his acceptance of the illusion of what the perfect idol should be.” If this is the message, wouldn’t they be subverting it? Again, I think “fighting against kpop ideals” is a shallow concept and not one they would have stuck to all these years through their stories - it would also be hypocritical since they are kpop idols themselves and still do all the fanservice and aegyo stuff lol.
In regards to your side note, I disagree that Tae is evil. In the making of video they literally tell you that Tae is waking up in pain after having his wings clipped by the industry.

Also, I said that Jin represents ARMY, the GP, fans. The industry dictates not only how idols should look/behave but also how fans should interact with them. Think about the whole hyuna e'dawn incident. Do you think the idols want to be restricted this way? How many times have they said that they wished they could be treated like normal people instead of being held to an ideal. Jin kissing the statue is the fans acceptance of it. They are telling you that this is how it is now but it sucks and it needs to change and for you to say that the concept is 'shallow' when it is literally controlling their entire lives shows just how blinded you are by the industry itself. This is what they are fighting against. The cracks that you see in the videos represents Jin waking up and seeing through this.
 
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