Houthi terrorists bombard civilian houses in Yemen’s Marib with Katyusha rockets

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May Allah protect the Sunni Muslims of Yemen. And may Allah crush the Houthis.

I cannot stand hearing people glorify the Houthis who are killing and oppressing the Sunni Muslims in Yemen.

I asked an old man from Yemen about Saudi Arabia in Yemen. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia has been perfect- but he supported Saudi Arabia in Yemen.

They gave a khutbah at the masjid (tons of Yemenis at my masjid) where they denounced the Shia aggression and killing of Sunnis.

You look at how they're killing and oppressing and the suffering they are causing for Sunni Muslims in Syria and Yemen.... it clearly is a war against Sunni Islam. They said in the khutbah that the Yemeni Sunnis had been living in peace with the Shia. But now this aggression and killing of Sunnis.

If you don't believe that the Houthis are killing and oppressing the Sunni Muslims in Yemen- don't ask me, go ask the Sunni Muslims from Yemen. I say this because it hurts me when I hear people glorify the Houthis and support the Houthis.
 

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What I am saying isn't from me.

I'm not going off the media.

We have tons of Yemeni people at my masjid and I'm going off what they say.

Yemenis basically run my masjid. And I love Yemenis. We respect the Yemenis. Everyone is welcome of course but my masjid is pretty much run by people from Yemen and is significantly if not predominantly Yemeni.

So I have a masjid full of people from Yemen- all telling me the same thing. These people have known me since I was a teenager.

So I don't plan on changing my stance. I love these people, I know these people and I know what they're saying.

I avoid calling myself a "Sunni". I am just a Muslim. We are not a sect. We are the correct Islam. We are the mainstream Islam.

The Shia are a deviant sect. I'm not saying that with a heart full of hatred. They're misguided and they're wrong.

In Yemen they are killing and oppressing the Muslims who follow the correct Islam- for the sake of their misguided sect.

We don't need to make concessions, we don't need to give them an inch, we don't need to give them a centimeter.

The Houthis are killing and oppressing Muslims in Yemen for following the correct Islam- how complicated is it?

I hear this and that from what I read, etc.- but what do I hear from the people who are actually from Yemen?

May Allah crush the Houthis.

I am tired of all the pro-Shia stuff I hear. And not from here- I'm not talking about here.

But I'm tired of Iran being depicted like "they're fighting the power", I "need to support Iran", stuff like that.

Why do I need to support Shia Islam?

Do I tell Protestant to support the Pope?

I don't need to support Shia Islam and I especially don't need to support extremists who are murdering Muslims for following the correct Islam- for the sake of a deviant sect.

I avoid calling myself a "Sunni" but I am what others would call Sunni. Why I need to support Shia? Should I support an atheist convention? Do I need to support some random Buddhist sect? Do I need to support Hare Krishna? Should I find some Ethiopian Orthodox and go sing Kumbaya?

The Jehovah's Witnesses can support the Jehovah's Witnesses. The Hare Krishnas can support the Hare Krishnas.

Do lions gather food for antelopes? Lions gather food for lions. The antelopes can get their own food.

You don't have to take it from me. Talk to Sunnis from Yemen and see what they say.

Because I hear this and I hear that but when I talk to people from Yemen I hear a completely different story.

As far as Shia, maybe Shia would tell a different story. If I was in a deviant sect, maybe I would support a deviant sect. But I follow correct, mainstream Islam so I support correct, mainstream Islam.

I love Mother Aisha (may Alla be pleased with her). I don't hate her and claim she is in hell.

May Allah crush the Houthis.
 

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Agreed.

But just as you said you meet only Sunni yemeni's. The Sunnis also have good and bad. they also oppress and rebell against God's Law.
the point is i dont really know what is happening in Yemen and who is Right untill I listen to both sides.
the shia will talk about sunni oppression and you would have to agree because thats true of some sunnis and the sunni's will tell you about shia oppression and you would have to agree with them because they also are telling the truth.
who really really is the rightful defender or agressor, that is yet to be determined in Yemen to me at least.
What they said in the khutbah was that the Sunnis had peacefully co-existed with the Shia and that's my understanding.

With how I feel- like I said, I love these people and they've known me since I was a teenager. I love these people. If you lived where I live, insha'Allah, I would take you to my masjid and introduce you to them so you could hear for yourself what they have to say.

I was there for the khutbah and that khutbah was incredible.

What you have to think about is... look at Syria, look at Iraq, even look as "ISIS".

Whoever-it-is-who-is-behind-"ISIS" creates "ISIS"..... and so what this does is it is used to create an impression that Sunni Muslims are terrorists and used to justify killing Sunni Muslims
then look at Syria- what are they doing there? I forgot where I originally saw this but I found some more talking about this-
http://www.thetower.org/4471-iran-repopulating-syria-with-shiites-in-bid-to-extend-regional-control/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/13/irans-syria-project-pushing-population-shifts-to-increase-influence

Iran repopulates Syria with Shia Muslims to help tighten regime's control

you look at Iraq.... I was talking to someone who went to Iraq.... when you look at pre-invasion Iraq.... from what I understand, pre-invasion Iraq was relatively more secular- but you look at Saddam- Saddam was Sunni...
now from what I'm told- post-invasion Iraq.... basically has turned into a Shia stronghold

I just Googled and I even see some stuff which supports what I was told

look at this article
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-iranian-power.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mosul-fighting-conflict-isis-iran-taking-over-iraq-a7898576.html

I Saw the U.S. Hand Iraq Over to the Iranians. Is the Whole Region Next?
http://www.thetower.org/article/i-saw-the-u-s-hand-iraq-over-to-the-iranians-is-the-whole-region-next/

once you look at the bigger picture, what's happening in Yemen makes sense within the bigger puzzle.... now I knew this stuff before Henry Makow even published those articles on Iran.... they were talking about this at my masjid before he even published those articles....

but those articles confirmed what I already was hearing and what we're already seeing as far as the bigger puzzle

https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/06/iran-does-not-oppose.html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/06/Iran-and-Israel-are-Secret-Allies .html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/06/iran-advances-zionist-agenda.html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/07/the-iran-deception.html

when you look at the bigger picture, it's pretty clear what agenda is being pushed.... and it's sad for me to think about
and what those articles published by Makow are saying... I believe them
if Iran really is "resisting" or whatever- why aren't those people starving?
why isn't Iran like Venezuela?
 

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you look at Iraq.... I was talking to someone who went to Iraq.... when you look at pre-invasion Iraq.... from what I understand, pre-invasion Iraq was relatively more secular- but you look at Saddam- Saddam was Sunni...
now from what I'm told- post-invasion Iraq.... basically has turned into a Shia stronghold
Saddam and the ruling class were Sunni, but the majority has always been Shia. The good news is that the recent elections in Iraq appear to have put power into the hands of Muqtada al-Sadr, a Shia who wants less of Iran in Iraq.

once you look at the bigger picture, what's happening in Yemen makes sense within the bigger puzzle.... now I knew this stuff before Henry Makow even published those articles on Iran.... they were talking about this at my masjid before he even published those articles....

but those articles confirmed what I already was hearing and what we're already seeing as far as the bigger puzzle

https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/06/iran-does-not-oppose.html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/06/Iran-and-Israel-are-Secret-Allies .html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/06/iran-advances-zionist-agenda.html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/07/the-iran-deception.html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/07/the-iran-deception.html

You wouldn't be puzzled if you stopped trying to make everything Israel's fault and accept that Iran is behind much of the horror that's taking place in the middle east.

when you look at the bigger picture, it's pretty clear what agenda is being pushed.... and it's sad for me to think about
and what those articles published by Makow are saying... I believe them
Makow is silly disinfo. I wish people would stop paying attention to that site.

if Iran really is "resisting" or whatever- why aren't those people starving?
why isn't Iran like Venezuela?
Are you aware of what's taking place in Iran at the moment? The protests? Specifically, why they are protesting? Iran's in big trouble and the people are facing real hardship.


 

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The mayhem in Yemen and the crisis of meaning in the Arab World
Are Yemenis Arabs? And why are other Arabs bombing them?

The counter-revolutionary effort transformed Yemen into a theatre for proxy wars. Outside interference by the Saudis and Iranians radically distorted the popular mobilisation into a sectarian conflict in which the Houthis turned from one of the voices of the uprising to puppets of Tehran. The counter-revolutionary commotion succeeded, the revolutionary momentum receded

Foreign interference was detrimental to the Yemeni revolution and to the interests of both Saudis and Iranians. They are also victims of this counter-revolutionary mobilisation against a transnational uprising that endangered the Saudi and Iranian regimes alike. Needless to say, the US and British support and massive military sales to Saudi Arabia are a key factor in exacerbating this catastrophe.
From proxy war to regional conflict
Now, where are we three years into the "Yemen conflict", as journalists in the US and Europe call the carnage?

The Houthis are entrenched more than ever, resisting the onslaught of an international coalition armed with the latest military technology and are still launching missiles at Saudi Arabia. The Saudi-Iranian rivalry is growing and spreading to include the rise of a regional Arab alliance (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, and Bahrain) against Qatar.
At the same time, Saudi Arabia has joined forces with Israel to push the US towards an all-out war against Iran. The Trump administration has happily obliged and increased economic pressure on the Islamic Republic, putting more strain on the US-European alliance. In Syria, Israel has sought support from Russia to open yet another front against Iran.

Russia to open yet another front against Iran.
In short, the war in Yemen has become integral to an all-out regional conflict from which only arms manufactures in the US and the UK and the aggressive and militaristic government in Israel can benefit - all to the delight of reactionary Arab regimes.
The human casualties of the carnage
What has been the political result of so much brutality and bloodshed we have witnessed in Yemen? Nothing. There is no diplomatic, political or even military solution to this carnage in sight.

But there is a far more evident, far more palpable consequence of the war in Yemen, to which all the factions have contributed. "At least 10,000 people have been killed in the war in Yemen," this according to a conservative UN estimate reported in January 2017.
Other sources give much higher numbers. "In November 2017," according to a report, "Save the Children confirmed that 130 Yemeni children were dying every day, with 50,000 children already believed to have died in 2017."

What are all these weapons for?
All of these obscene numbers pale in comparison to the military budget of these rich Arab states. The Saudi Arabian leadership, a tiny little ruling tribe - to be more exact - with no claim to any democratic representation whatsoever, is now the most voracious buyer of military junk in the world after the US and China.
"Global military spending rose last year," according to a report by Al Jazeera in May 2018, "to its highest level since the Cold War, with the United States, China and Saudi Arabia topping the list, according to a Swedish-based research institute." The same report indicates that "Saudi Arabia replaced Russia in third place, spending $69.4bn in 2017.

The entire population of this tiny little oil-dom is less than 10 million people, of which less than 1.5 million are actual Emiratis and the rest are foreign labourers. You divide $20bn by 1.5 million and figure out how much per capita the Emirates spends on buying US and Israeli military junk. Does that make any sense?

The fact is that the US and Israel have incorporated these little military garrisons in the Gulf into the map of their military conquest of the region - and they get the ruling families of these states to pay for the privilege of plundering their people's wealth. These small states have all been effectively turned into mercenary armies and military stations tasked with protecting the strategic interests of the US and Israeli militarism.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/mayhem-yemen-crisis-meaning-arab-world-180724121333300.html
 

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Saddam and the ruling class were Sunni, but the majority has always been Shia. The good news is that the recent elections in Iraq appear to have put power into the hands of Muqtada al-Sadr, a Shia who wants less of Iran in Iraq.


You wouldn't be puzzled if you stopped trying to make everything Israel's fault and accept that Iran is behind much of the horror that's taking place in the middle east.



Makow is silly disinfo. I wish people would stop paying attention to that site.



Are you aware of what's taking place in Iran at the moment? The protests? Specifically, why they are protesting? Iran's in big trouble and the people are facing real hardship.


I didn't say anything about being puzzled.

Do you pray salat next to a bunch of people from Yemen?

My source is I know a bunch of people from Yemen. I explained that earlier.

Anyways, don't attribute things to me that you have no basis for saying. There's no reason to make up fiction about me.

Your posts are "fake news".

Quit worshipping Israel, self-declared Zionist.
 

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The Houthis are trying to force their version of Islam on Yemen. Al-Jazeera isn't trustworthy. I'm not going off the news or media. If people really investigate, they'll arrive at the same conclusions I outlined. Don't believe what the media tells you. Talk to people from Yemen. This stuff I've said isn't coming from me. And if Saudi is crooked..... then at least it's crooked and promoting Sunni Islam. If Saudi is crooked then it's a crooked government that promotes Sunni Islam. So what if it's crooked? What government isn't crooked? If it's crooked, it's a crooked government promoting Sunni Islam versus a crooked government promoting a deviant sect. I don't know of any government that isn't crooked. Iran has no moral high ground. They're crooked like any of the others. They just promote this "anti-imperialist" rhetoric which is a gimmick so they can promote an agenda against Sunni Islam. Put the puzzle together. Look at Iraq. Look at Syria. Look at Yemen. It's not hard to spot the pattern.
 

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I didn't say anything about being puzzled.

Do you pray salat next to a bunch of people from Yemen?

My source is I know a bunch of people from Yemen. I explained that earlier.

Anyways, don't attribute things to me that you have no basis for saying. There's no reason to make up fiction about me.

Your posts are "fake news".

Quit worshipping Israel, self-declared Zionist.
I'm on the Sunni side, yo.
 

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The Houthis are trying to force their version of Islam on Yemen. Al-Jazeera isn't trustworthy. I'm not going off the news or media. If people really investigate, they'll arrive at the same conclusions I outlined. Don't believe what the media tells you. Talk to people from Yemen. This stuff I've said isn't coming from me. And if Saudi is crooked..... then at least it's crooked and promoting Sunni Islam. If Saudi is crooked then it's a crooked government that promotes Sunni Islam. So what if it's crooked? What government isn't crooked? If it's crooked, it's a crooked government promoting Sunni Islam versus a crooked government promoting a deviant sect. I don't know of any government that isn't crooked. Iran has no moral high ground. They're crooked like any of the others. They just promote this "anti-imperialist" rhetoric which is a gimmick so they can promote an agenda against Sunni Islam. Put the puzzle together. Look at Iraq. Look at Syria. Look at Yemen. It's not hard to spot the pattern.
You mean "The Houthis are trying to force their version of Islam on Yemen" by being themselves the majority of Yemin's population and gaining Democratic control of the government via elections? And then maintaining said government all while enduring savage assault/embargo policies of the Saudi/Israeli/US puppet masters up until the point of the country being thrown into the dire straits we see them operate under now?
"then at least it's crooked and promoting Sunni Islam. If Saudi is crooked then it's a crooked government that promotes Sunni Islam. So what if it's crooked?"
Probably why you are in the Trump thread showing Donny Tiny hands some luv eh? lol
"If it's crooked, it's a crooked government promoting Sunni Islam versus a crooked government promoting a deviant sect."
Newsflash Captain High horse..... Sunni is a "sect" as well. The profit Muhammads last command/advise was to NOT split into sects at any cost and to just remain "Muslims". And we see the deliberate, devious and horrific behavior of Sunnis and Shia all over the world so..... have fun with your own deviant sect. Perhaps your compromise in faith is what led you to spew your truth, that you dont care about corruption, so long as you feel it benefits "your side"...... what other Saudi Sunnis have I heard that from?
 

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So are these retired or active-duty soldiers engaged in this? Because if its retired, disgusting.... but if its active duty.... then the US military has just allowed for its soldiers to be outsourced to execute extra-judicial killings at the hands of Israeli citizens and Blackwater-knockoffs...... Its a major issue either way, but could possibly be among the most illegal of actions possible.....
 

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You mean "The Houthis are trying to force their version of Islam on Yemen" by being themselves the majority of Yemin's population and gaining Democratic control of the government via elections? And then maintaining said government all while enduring savage assault/embargo policies of the Saudi/Israeli/US puppet masters up until the point of the country being thrown into the dire straits we see them operate under now?
"then at least it's crooked and promoting Sunni Islam. If Saudi is crooked then it's a crooked government that promotes Sunni Islam. So what if it's crooked?"
Probably why you are in the Trump thread showing Donny Tiny hands some luv eh? lol
"If it's crooked, it's a crooked government promoting Sunni Islam versus a crooked government promoting a deviant sect."
Newsflash Captain High horse..... Sunni is a "sect" as well. The profit Muhammads last command/advise was to NOT split into sects at any cost and to just remain "Muslims". And we see the deliberate, devious and horrific behavior of Sunnis and Shia all over the world so..... have fun with your own deviant sect. Perhaps your compromise in faith is what led you to spew your truth, that you dont care about corruption, so long as you feel it benefits "your side"...... what other Saudi Sunnis have I heard that from?
Okay.... so you're anti-Sunni?

You're claiming the Sunnis are a sect and prohibited?

https://islamqa.info/en/206

Praise be to Allaah.

It is the Muslim’s duty to follow the truth and to join the victorious group, the people of Sunnah and Jamaa’ah (Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah) who are followers of the pious predecessors (al-salaf al-saalih), loving them for the sake of Allaah whether they are in his own country or elsewhere, and cooperating with them in righteousness.


If you want to go against the Sunnis, Allah is judge. If you want to against the orthodox, mainstream form of Islam... if you want to go against pure Islam as it was originally practiced.... Allah is judge.

I don't know if you know people from Yemen. I know a bunch of people from Yemen and I'm going off what they have told me as far as Yemen.

Am I to believe you over a bunch of people who are actually from there?

Now whoever wants to split from pure, correct Islam and follow a deviant sect..... let them.

If you want to want to go against Sunni Islam, that is your decision. To anyone whose Islam is sound, that right there will be sufficient to show that you position isn't sound.

This has nothing to do with Donald Trump and it is strange that you portray me as praising Donald Trump. I specifically said I'm not for him. I simply criticized the left. You think I'm not allowed to criticize the left? More reason I'm glad I'm not a leftist. The leftists are not reasonable and don't believe in civility.

Now as far as the Yemen conflict.... may the Houthis be crushed.

Also, what exactly do you follow? You're against the Sunnis and against the Shia? Are you following a one-person form of Islam? Are you another who has made up their own religion?

Anyways, the issue is a conflict between Sunni Islam and Shia Islam. And I don't really care what I read online or through the media because I know a bunch of people from Yemen who I've talked to.

It's a conflict between Sunni Islam and Shia Islam. Saudi on one side, Iran on the other.

If you're not a heretic, you should support the Sunni side. Why would you support the Shia?

There's bad being done by both sides. But one is at least Sunni- and the other is Shia.

People shouldn't believe everything in the media. I'm not interested in the view of a person who has never been to Yemen over the views of people who are actually from there.
 

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My question to Tempest is.....

since according to you both the Sunnis and Shia are not following the correct form of Islam.... and since you seem to think all the "born-and-bred" Muslims are not following the correct form of Islam.....

who exactly is following the correct Islam according to you? Are you the only person following the correct Islam? Everyone else is following the wrong Islam and only you are following the correct one?

What even is your source for the Islam you follow? Do you follow the hadith? Which hadith? Are you just following your own mind and whatever you come up with?
 

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Who exactly are the scholars according to your form of Islam, Tempest?

I guess based on your view, everyone else pretty much has no hope as your mind dictates "true Islam". According to that view, everyone else is pretty much hopelessly lost as only Tempest is in touch with "true Islam" and "true Islam" depends on what Tempest thinks.

Is that not a Tempest-centric view?
 
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