Salvation comes from the Jew (John 4:22)

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KoncreteMind said:
That makes much more sense.



But the worship of idols is not what makes one a gentile either. But if you have a point to make by calling Abraham, Noah, Adam etc.. gentiles (even though the prophets in the bible would never call them that) I'll leave you to your thread..
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You can get on the web and find people that agree with you on the subject, There are several different views. I choose to agree with the Messianic Jews I fellowship with. It is just like reading that Christ birth line includes Rehab the Harlot (Josh. 2:1; Matt. 1:5) In whom was a Gentile, but most people denies it, even thou it is in Scripture, But it goes to show the Grace of God....not by works, but by Faith in Him.
 
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JoChris said:
The word "jew" wasn't in the 1611 bible. The word "iewe" was though. Different lettering etc.
Want proof? https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search1611.php?hs=1&q=Iewes

Want photographical proof from an original copy ? Look at bottom right hand corner of p.1253 and find King of the JEWES https://archive.org/stream/1611TheAuthorizedKingJamesBible/1611 The Authorized King James Bible#page/n1253
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Hi Jo, I'm not sure what your point is? What do you think Iewes means in the 1611 edition?
 
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Dan Northman said:
Today ignorant people think "Jew" means 'a Judean' like Jesus. It does not. Today that word refers only to a person who follows Talmudic Judiaism, which did not even exist until the Talmud was first codified around 400 A.D.
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This anti-Semitic information is the result of Benjamin H. Freedom In whom was a Jew and converted to Catholicism. He also denies the Holocaust.
Benjamin H. Freedman - Wikipedia



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_H._Freedman

Benjamin Harrison Freedman (1890 – May 1984) was an American businessman, Holocaust denier, and vocal anti-Zionist. Born in a Jewish family, he converted from Judaism to Roman Catholicism. Outside of political activism, Freedman was a partner in a dermatological institute and investor for small businesses.


  • Biography
    Freedman was, from 1925 to 1937, a partner with Samuel D....
  • Activities
    He was a financial backer of the author Conde McGinley,...
  • Here is his anti-Semitic essay:
  • History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews

    www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm
    In these 18th century editions with revisions the word "Jew" appeared for the first time in any English translations. The word "Jew" as it was used in the 18th century editions has since continued in use in all the editions of the New Testament in the English language. The use of the word "Jew" was thus stabilized. . .​
    And of course, Anti-Semitic's are going to support this view. Do you believe that the Holocaust happened?
 
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Douglas Summers said:
This anti-Semitic information is the result of Benjamin H. Freedom In whom was a Jew and converted to Catholicism. He also denies the Holocaust.
Benjamin H. Freedman - Wikipedia



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_H._Freedman

Benjamin Harrison Freedman (1890 – May 1984) was an American businessman, Holocaust denier, and vocal anti-Zionist. Born in a Jewish family, he converted from Judaism to Roman Catholicism. Outside of political activism, Freedman was a partner in a dermatological institute and investor for small businesses.


  • Biography
    Freedman was, from 1925 to 1937, a partner with Samuel D....
  • Activities
    He was a financial backer of the author Conde McGinley,...
  • Here is his anti-Semitic essay:
  • History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews

    www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm
    In these 18th century editions with revisions the word "Jew" appeared for the first time in any English translations. The word "Jew" as it was used in the 18th century editions has since continued in use in all the editions of the New Testament in the English language. The use of the word "Jew" was thus stabilized. . .​
    And of course, Anti-Semitic's are going to support this view. Do you believe tha the Holocaust happened?
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You understand that the j didn’t exist in the 1611 bible and it wasn’t until the revisions in the 17th century that this word existed so Freedman is correct.

I think there are 12 better arguments that could be made countering this than just repeating anti Semitic over and over again like the definition is more than important than the change in the way a word is pronounced because it is just a label.

However, technically because the j did not exist in the English language until around the 17th century, the word did not exist and was not ever used during the time of Christ.

Although, what’s even more importantly than this is whether we are labeling the same definition with the word. If Judean is an ethnicity than Jew is not an accurate label because the early church were judeans. Are their descendents not Jews then? No, they are not according to the modern definition of Jew and it is this change that helps promote modern Zionism or a sense of uniqueness. Most of Europe is really a mixture of Jew and gentile at this point because of this and some other countries as well but we don’t have a label for this that does not take second place to the one who continue to reject Christ.

It is always interesting to see a Jew being called an anti Semitic. No one sees how this demonstrates manipulation and an extreme measure of propaganda if someone who is a Jew is not even able to be critical of his own identity.

As a Christian, that is the beauty of following Christ who was a descendent of Israel. Israel was supposed to pursue a higher call to righteousness, but when they do this, people still feel more comfortable with the word antisemite and put blinders on to all the information that is actually coming from a Jewish perspective.

Personally, I don’t feel comfortable ignoring people like freedman. Doesn’t it say that god is going to bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel. I am of the opinion that this means blessing those that are seeking righteousness. There is a blessing to those who will bless those who represent Israel and are in the pursuit of righteousness. There is no logical way to assume when you read the Bible that there is a blessing for blessing Israel is they are not seeking righteousness. The whole thing creates too great a contradiction.

A man like freedman is clearly persucuted for seeking righteousness and I support him because this is what the Bible teaches me to support.
 
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rainerann said:
You understand that the j didn’t exist in the 1611 bible and it wasn’t until the revisions in the 17th century that this word existed so Freedman is correct.
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Hi rain, It is not the spelling that is in question...no matter how you spell it, the nomenclature is still the same. The word, Jew was originally meant for the tribe of Judea and Benjamites of the Southern kingdom and then became a standard for all Israelites. The German's Called the Jews, "Juden", Which meant Jew. None of this has to do with our Salvation. Freedman claims Jesus was not even a Jew and it is false and we are duped.
  1. JESUS WAS NOT A Jew - Bible Believers

    www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
    JESUS WAS NOT A Jew. Benjamin H. Freedman, Jewish Historian - Researcher - Scholar. From "Common Sense", p. 2-1-53 and 5-1-59 "Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews.
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  3. Benjamin Freedman: Freedman: "Jesus was not a Jew"

    benjaminhfreedman.blogspot.com/2008/01/freedman-jesus-was-not-jew.html
    JESUS WAS NOT A JEW ! Benj. H. Freedman, Historian – Researcher – Scholar From “Common Sense”, 2-1-53 and 5-1-59 “Christians Duped By The Unholiest Hoax in All History, By So-Called Jews.
 
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Douglas Summers said:
You can get on the web and find people that agree with you on the subject, There are several different views. I choose to agree with the Messianic Jews I fellowship with. It is just like reading that Christ birth line includes Rehab the Harlot (Josh. 2:1; Matt. 1:5) In whom was a Gentile, but most people denies it, even thou it is in Scripture, But it goes to show the Grace of God....not by works, but by Faith in Him.
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Yes people can find other people that agree with them on a subject (including me) but on this one, the position makes no sense. No way Moses says Abraham was a gentile or that the Israelites came from Gentiles. Now would he say Abraham was a stranger/foreigner to the land he came across? Yes. But would he refer to him as a gentile during a time where gentiles meant outsiders of Israel? Not at all.

And in regards to Rahab, the seed is determined by the father not the mother. Which is why David was accepted in Israel despite his mother being a Moabite...
 
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There are verses that indicate a title of Jesus Christ is the "Salvation of God". Here's a few.
Lk 1:69
And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Lk 2:30
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
Lk 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Ac 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved

During Christ's ministry and all during Acts, the Gentiles did not have Christ, the Salvation of God
In Christ's ministry
Jn 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

The Gentiles were only given Jesus Christ, the Salvation of God, at the very end of Acts, This verse is proof that they
Ac 28:28
Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

That last is proof, along with the following one that Gentiles didn't have Jesus Christ, the Salvation of God, until the end of Acts. Timee paast refers to Acts, mainly, where the Gentiles were the Gentiles were always called the Uncircumcision
Eph 2:11-12
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

This verse shows the situation of the Gentiles during Acts, when they were in their sins and their uncincumcision. Then, we see that, after Acts, the Gentiles were made alive through Christ and their sins are now forgiven.
Col 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

The only things I know of that belonged to Israel, but were sort of shared with the Gentiles during Acts, were (maybe) the rapture, (maybe) the New Jerusalem, and the Gifts of Spirits. Of course, since Israel was set aside at the end of Acts, and since no Gentile for the last 1955 years was ever grafted into Israel, those things are unavailable today The scripture, in Rom 9:4 and Eph 2:11-12, has spelled out a few things that, during Acts, ONLY Israel possessed and the Gentiles had no part of. These all belonged to Israel only.
1- The adoption,: which means only Israel had an inheritance
2- The Glory,
3- The Covenants
4- The Law
5- The service of God - only Israel could teach or preach
6- The promises God made to Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and David
7- Jesus Christ, the salvation of God
8- A resurrection Hope
9- God

So, why do the denominational churches and probably 90% of the Christians of this forum want the crumby, lousy, beggarly elements of Acts, when they can have it 100 times better with the blessings found only in Paul's 7 episrles written after Acts.
 
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The Jews are the boss of this reality. I decoded this, in this video (no one normally picks up on this coded, double meaning speak, but I'm well aware of what's happening because I will not let them put me to sleep while I'm watching (camera movements meant only to put your brain in alpha state). You can watch from the time stamp I included, but if you want to start at the beginning, it clearly shows you the sleep commands (traditional hypnosis) they are always using:

 
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KoncreteMind said:
The better question would be was he called a "Jew" when he was living? That answer of course being no...
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I hope you are not being serious.
1. Family History tree for both sides of Jesus' family: Luke 3:23-38 - Joseph (supposed) father, Matthew 1:1-17 Mary, mother of Jesus
Search those ancestors' names in the Old Testament - were they Jews or not?

2. Reading comprehension and deeper thought required here:
In Luke chapter 2 alone:
* would a Gentile family be going to Bethlehem for the census? (see verses 1-4)
* Would a Gentile woman bring her 8 day son to be circumcised and blessed? (see verses 21-24), the commandment given for Israel in Leviticus 12:2-4
* Would a 12 year old Gentile boy be permitted in the temple? Would a Gentile boy know the Jewish commandments,customs and laws? (see verses 46-47)
 
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Truthor said:
The Jews are the boss of this reality. I decoded this, in this video (no one normally picks up on this coded, double meaning speak, but I'm well aware of what's happening because I will not let them put me to sleep while I'm watching (camera movements meant only to put your brain in alpha state). You can watch from the time stamp I included, but if you want to start at the beginning, it clearly shows you the sleep commands (traditional hypnosis) they are always using:

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Just because people in the Media have huge egos doesn't make them boss. I think that the media and entertainment industry only accounts for like 1% of the total GDP in America. So you could own a mine, or a construction company and make more money.
 
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... stems from the Latin phrase 'Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum' meaning 'Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews'. This was the notice Pontius Pilate nailed over Jesus as he lay dying on the cross.


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And Pilate also wrote a title, and put it on the cross, and it was written, 'Jesus the Nazarene, the king of the Jews;'
 
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Truthor said:
The Jews are the boss of this reality. I decoded this, in this video (no one normally picks up on this coded, double meaning speak, but I'm well aware of what's happening because I will not let them put me to sleep while I'm watching (camera movements meant only to put your brain in alpha state). You can watch from the time stamp I included, but if you want to start at the beginning, it clearly shows you the sleep commands (traditional hypnosis) they are always using:

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There is not enough Ritalin in the world to make me believe this.
 
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