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[Red Sky at Morning]

How in the blue hell does this make sense?!

I guess you don't have to be a marine engineer to get rescued by a boat. Sinners need a Saviour. It is not a requisite that they are able to fully articulate the Trinity to believe John 3:16 ;-)

 

[Violette]

Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Is Jesus son of Mary?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who is god?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Jesus is the begotten son?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who is the father?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Jesus died on the cross?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who resurrected him?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Is Jesus a messenger?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who sent him?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Did Jesus worship while on earth?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Whom did he worship?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Did God have a beginning?

Christian: No



Muslim: So who was born on the 25th December?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Where is God?

Christian: In heaven



Muslim: How many Gods are there in heaven?

Christian: Only one God



Muslim: Where is Jesus?

Christian: He’s seated on the right hand side of his father



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Then how many Gods are in heaven?

Christian: Only one God



Muslim: How many seats?

Christian: One



Muslim: Where’s Jesus?

Christian: Seated next to God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



R.I.P Christians, is this logic?



God is not the author of confusion. (Corinthians 14:33)

We don’t literally believe Jesus was born in December 25th that’s just the day it’s celebrated. Jesus is not the Father, they are one of three distinct persons that compromise our 1 eternal God. I don’t think it’s unfathomable that God, who is love, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, would humble himself to walk amongst us and lay down his life for a sacrifice only he could satisfy. God is above us by every stretch of the imagination, it would be strange to limit a being that is above time, space, and nature. Just like time is past, present, and future simultaneously while still be distinct from each other God is the father, son, and holy spiritual at the same time while also being distinct from each other. To really understand the problems you’ve stated above then you need to understand Jesus’ hypostatic union for starters. Divine nature and human nature but they did not combine to make a new nature. The essence of God never changed, when the Word became flesh it just joined with human nature in the person of Christ.
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬
The right hand of God is symbolic, it’s the righteous path. Not everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally. The left hand path is associated with those who reject religious authority. Satanism (Theistic and LaVeyan) and luciferianism are left hand paths. I can garuntee you that whatever heaven actually looks is beyond our imagination. I don’t think you’ll believe any of this but I felt like something should be said other than just having blind faith like Claire suggested.

 

[Haich]

The nature of God has never changed. Prior to Jesus, the message the prophets came with were identical. There's one God, to Him you'll return. Worship Him and praise Him.

Christians try to say Jesus' human nature added to God's existing divinity. Fine- but you guys fail to address this alters the nature of God, so you can see why your views are considered contradictory and confusing.

 

[Haich]

I guess you don't have to be a marine engineer to get rescued by a boat. Sinners need a Saviour. It is not a requisite that they are able to fully articulate the Trinity to believe John 3:16 ;-)

I'm sorry but your example is so minor in comparison to the gravity of what you're proposing.

I have to just believe in something without understanding it? Explains why none of you have given a clear explanation, you don't understand it yourselves!

This is why your religion is always attacked. How can one just believe ? Faith alone will take you nowhere and to be honest, I find it quite concerning you actually believe that.

 

[Violette]

The nature of God has never changed. Prior to Jesus, the message the prophets came with were identical. There's one God, to Him you'll return. Worship Him and praise Him.

Christians try to say Jesus' human nature added to God's existing divinity. Fine- but you guys fail to address this alters the nature of God, so you can see why your views are considered contradictory and confusing.

Jesus is what everything was leading up to and the prophets prophesied him, so his ministry is understandably different than those before him. He claimed things that no other prophet did before him because he wasn’t just a messenger he is the message. No it doesn’t alter God’s nature because it didn’t add to it, the divine and human nature just coexisted with each other.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Jesus is what everything was leading up to and the prophets prophesied him, so his ministry is understandably different than those before him. He claimed things that no other prophet did before him because he wasn’t just a messenger he is the message. No it doesn’t alter God’s nature because it didn’t add to it, the divine and human nature just coexisted with each other.

Just look up the Angel of the Lord in the OT and consider the way people respond to him (compared to other angelic messengers). The incident with Samson's birth is a good one to start with...

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Just a little clarity on LHP vs RHP
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path

Anyway it's the middle path to follow.

Or you might walk into a tree?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I'm sorry but your example is so minor in comparison to the gravity of what you're proposing.

I have to just believe in something without understanding it? Explains why none of you have given a clear explanation, you don't understand it yourselves!

This is why your religion is always attacked. How can one just believe ? Faith alone will take you nowhere and to be honest, I find it quite concerning you actually believe that.

The fact that I can't pull an example from experience or nature doesn't especially trouble me! As a Muslim you also have the notion of God being "other" than you and greater in His attributes.

Imagine that our faiths differed over the concept of God's omnipresence, with one rejecting the idea. You might get threads from those denying omnipresence pointing out how contrary this was to everyday experience and how "I am here - and therefore not there".

The point is that "logic" can only take you so far in understanding an infinite being.

 

[DesertRose]

The point is that "logic" can only take you so far in understanding an infinite being.

"It says in the American Encyclopedia:

The belief in the Oneness of God – as a theological movement – began at a very early stage in history, and in fact it preceded the belief in trinity by many decades. Christianity developed from Judaism, and Judaism firmly believes that there is one God.

The path that led from Jerusalem (the home of the first disciples of Christ) to Nicea (where it was decided in 325 CE that Christ was equal to God in essence and eternal nature) can hardly be described as a straight path.

The doctrine of trinity which was affirmed in the fourth century CE bears no resemblance to the original teachings of Christ concerning the nature of God. Au contraire, it is the opposite, a deviation from that teaching. Hence it developed in opposition to the belief in One God… (27/294).

You can refer to the views of some of those Christians who still believe in the Oneness of God in the same American Encyclopedia, 27/300-301

It is difficult to comprehend, so no wonder you were never able to comprehend it. But what is strange is that you believe in something that is impossible to understand, unless we deceive ourselves and say that this understanding will come on the Last Day:

“We understand that as much as our minds are able to, and we hope that we will understand it more clearly in the future, when the veil is removed from all things in heaven and on earth. But for now, the extent to which we do understand it is enough!”

Yes, the truth will become perfectly clear to you in the future, as it is clear to us today, praise be to Allaah, on the Day on which Allaah will gather the Messengers and make them bear witness concerning their nations. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): ‘O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner‑self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All‑Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen).

‘Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up,You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).

‘If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily, You, only You, are the All‑Mighty, the All‑Wise.’

Allaah will say: This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) — they shall abide therein forever. Allaah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise). "

120. To Allaah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things”

[al-Maa’idah 5:116-120].

for further reading:

https://islamqa.info/en/12628

 

[manama]

I guess you don't have to be a marine engineer to get rescued by a boat. Sinners need a Saviour. It is not a requisite that they are able to fully articulate the Trinity to believe John 3:16 ;-)

​

There are multiple boats around you, all claim to have come to rescue you. However, only one boat out the hundreds is there to save you, the rest will drown you. So now you have to weigh the pros and cons in order to deduce which boat it is. You can not make a deduction when you don't understand what a "boat" actually is.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Matthew 18

"1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3 and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me."

 

[Haich]

The fact that I can't pull an example from experience or nature doesn't especially trouble me! As a Muslim you also have the notion of God being "other" than you and greater in His attributes.

Imagine that our faiths differed over the concept of God's omnipresence, with one rejecting the idea. You might get threads from those denying omnipresence pointing out how contrary this was to everyday experience and how "I am here - and therefore not there".

The point is that "logic" can only take you so far in understanding an infinite being.

But Islam doesn't require just logic. We require faith, belief, patience...many attributes. God is the owner of these attributes and we experience these states via our day to day experiences. God is love, but we experience love with our families and friends. God is power, but some of us are in positions of authority which allow us to exert some. God is patience, but we are always in positions where we must bite our tongues or endure an absence of one thing, in order to receive something greater. In the Qur'an we are taught this and we believe God is the owner of these attributes and as a Muslim, we must submit to his superemity and be thankful for the chance to experience the attributes which are His.

Logic is needed when trying to make sense of the nature of existence and why we are here. Logic is needed to comprehend a clear and tangible outline of the conception of man, the origin of the universe and ultimately, who God is.
In the Qur'an all of these things are clearly explained and of course, some things require faith. For instance you can't logically explain why some people die of cancer. However we are told in the Qur'an, that God puts us in difficult situations in an effort to bring us closer to Him. We usually call on Him in times of distress and it's beautiful to see the wisdom behind this particular verse...

Your faith as you've displayed, only requires faith and you are not at liberty to understand the trinity. This is crazy! We woudlnt apply this line of thinking in the real world.

Oh yes , study maths, you don't have to understand these complex equations, just believe and follow the crowd and you'll get your 1st class degree.

 

[Haich]

You talk about humility, yet are deluded into thinking you have guaranteed salvation.

Yes, very humble to assume you'll be saved on faith alone!

 

[DesertRose]

@Red Sky at Morning
The Lord is One and Indivisible.

Quote:
Christians have been so dazzled by the divine light
reflected in the mirror like heart of Jesus,
that they mistook the mirror for the light itself,
and worshipped it !!!

Imam Al Ghazali

 

[Etagloc]

Quote:
Christians have been so dazzled by the divine light
reflected in the mirror like heart of Jesus,
that they mistook the mirror for the light itself,
and worshipped it !!!

Imam Al Ghazali

 

[Etagloc]

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Of course Islam requires faith, don't be silly Claire. You know it does, upon entering Islam you declare and let your faith be known.

Do you REALLY have faith?

1 John 5:
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

^^^The verses above ..,..do you believe them?

 

[grateful servant]

The verses above are not the Word of God according to Islamic standards. Claire, there is a chapter of the Quran that Almighty God revealed to Prophet Muhammad when the Quraysh pagans tried to compromise with him about their polytheism and idol worship. For Muslims, these verses are a clear rejection of any other religion other than Islam.

Say, "O disbelievers, (1)
"I worship not that which you worship, (2)
"Nor will you worship that which I worship. (3)
"And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping. (4)
"Nor will you worship that which I worship. (5)

"To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)." (6)​

 

[Violette]

You talk about humility, yet are deluded into thinking you have guaranteed salvation.

Yes, very humble to assume you'll be saved on faith alone!

No assumption necessary I use my bible as proof just as you would use the Quran as proof to defend islamic teachings. It would be arrogant if I thought I earned my way to heaven, believing I deserve it and others don’t. Im saved by the gift of grace not of anything from myself. No one that enters heaven can say “I got here by my own efforts.”, lest any man should boast It’s humbling to be loved by a God I’m not worthy of, I’m sorry you can’t see that.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

No assumption necessary I use my bible as proof just as you would use the Quran as proof to defend islamic teachings. It would be arrogant if I thought I earned my way to heaven, believing I deserve it and others don’t. Im saved by the gift of grace not of anything from myself. No one that enters heaven can say “I got here by my own efforts.”, lest any man should boast It’s humbling to be loved by a God I’m not worthy of, I’m sorry you can’t see that.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

^ Exactly.