Dr. William Campbell destroyed by Dr. Zakir Naik on scientific errors in the Bible MUST WATCH!!

[irrationalNinja]

Saying arab = muslim, is like saying white = christian.

Christians face spiritual attacks? Wow white privilege is showing.

It also makes you sound racist to group an entire faith group which consists of hundreds and hundreds of nationalities and ethnicities and languages under the term 'White'.

Fixed it for you.

 

[manama]

Fixed it for you.

She is talking about the people she is quoting you doofus.

 

[Karlysymon]

That would never happen. Even right now when Christian apologists try to make space for such things "they were born with it" we laugh and move on. West being west its called. We don't let them near our faith.


LMFAOOO no wayyy

Yes, wayyyy.

Don't be so sure it would never happen. Who would have imagined a QJV 40yrs ago? I think you should expect those changes in your lifetime.

I just want to clarify that its not wrong for a female to read scripture in church or even preach. What's wrong is the ordination. There are situations though, like in China, where people congregate in homes and there aren't capable males willing to put in the time and effort to shepherd a flock. So you find women stepping in. Depending on the denomination, they may or may not permit ordination. If I remember correctly, China doesn't even permit it. You have to be male to be given a license to be a minister.

Because everyone wants their heresy legitimized, we end up with confusion and weakness seeps in:

"Theologian Rosemary Radford Ruether declares: “Feminist theology must create a new textual base, a new canon … Feminist theology cannot be done from the existing base of the Christian Bible” What is one of the chief sources of inspiration for feminist theology? The answer is provided by feminist theologian Chung Hyun Kyung, who candidly states: “[F]eminists are free to use the ancient Gnostic texts, originally rejected as heretical, because the Christian canon was created by men” and that “women are not obliged to accept a book… they had no part in framing”
According to Voegelin, the modern Gnostic’s anthropocentric soteriology can only attain the semblance of sense in the absence of God. After all, in order to create a new order, one must first supplant the creator of the old one. This cosmic regime change stipulates the ultimate revolutionary act: deicide"

 

[Claire Rousseau]

There are already female imams trying to call for prayer when its against Islam, there are Muslim gay societies and gay imams who want the whole event about Sodom or Prophet Lut a.s taken out from the Quran. But its not going "Downhill" anywhere because we aren't raised to follow men. "For you your religion, for me my religion" is the verse that carries us through the hardships.

My entire paternal family was hindu, when my father and his siblings + cousins accepted Islam all of them were disowned. But they stuck to Islam and tried their best to get their families to understand.

Most of my friends are atheists, doesn't mean I am going to do what they say. If your kids are so weak that comments like "Religion is dumb" is enough to make them leave their faith, you need to raise better kids. Ironically enough, most of my western friends are either atheists or left the church BECAUSE of their parents.

It’s true that America has gotten soft and are now preaching a prosperity Gospel.

The mainstream, popularized preachers are Zionist puppets that care NOTHING about God; they are only interested in lining their pockets & are scumbags...wolves in sheeps clothing, and charlatans (Rick Warren, Benny Hinn, John Hager, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar[Seriously?! His surname should be proof enough], etc.) They have infiltrated our churches and as JoChris stated, done abominable things like bring in female "preachers".....in utterly blatant disobedience to the Word of God, as we women are NOT even permitted to speak in church, must less get behind the pulpit, and letting homos in to r*pe the children....It's wicked.....they have no regard for the Bible.

It is the preachers who have allowed this....by selling out, they are leading their sheep to slaughter. There are very few saved, men of God who have the stones to get up behind the pulpit & preach the TRUTH....the WHOLE truth of ALL of the Bible, the RIGHT (KING JAMES) BIBLE, in season AND out, EVEN if it means people will get offended, or the offering plate will be light, or they will lose members(good riddance) because they don't want to hear that divorce is a wicked sin,or fornicators will be cast out, or that drinking alcohol is wicked, and divorce & remarriage is adultery., that homos are NOT WELCOME, or that they need to READ their Bible and come to church, and that wives are COMMANDED by God to RESPECT, OBEY & SUBMIT TO their husband, and that abortion is always cold-blooded MURDER . , and how we ought to be in the world but not OF this world, and our duty as Christians is to love the unsaved enough to tell them the painful truth, that they are unworthy sinners on their way to Hell, but that God loved them enough to give up His ONLY Son to save them from Hell if only they will believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ & call on the Lord they will be SAVED forever...they don't want to be convicted of their sin because then they might have to face it & change how they live their life.
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Hypocrites they are....they want to talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

THAT is the problem with Christianity.

As I said, Satan has good reason to attack Christianity, because it is the truth, and he will continue to attack it until he is cast into Hell.


Also, since we live relatively luxurious lives compared to most other countries, we have become spoiled & ungrateful. I believe USA is the spiritual Babylon as spoken of in Revelation, and as much as I wish it weren't so, this country is an abomination in the sight of God, and rest assured......God WILL judge us.

It is not a matter of "if", but WHEN.

 

[vigilante71]

Thank you. I realized, soon after writing that above statement, which I subsequently deleted, that I should probably leave apologetics to the experts, to those more convinced of the truths of their doctrines and dogmas, and remain safely within my preferred domain (and subject area) of history. It is there, too, especially with the Ebionites (aka "the pure"), whom I consider the proto-orthodox of Christianity, as well the Arians (versus Athanasians), docetae, Nestorians and others that Islam more clearly meets Christianity, or should I more accurately say "Christianity in transition" to an ultimate Protestant "orthodoxy," characterized, ironically, by perpetual schism, with denominations and sects without number.

Anyway, though I am not reading all entries and am thus missing out on a lot, even in this thread, I am enjoying the circus as it is. In some, not all, ways, this thread reminds me of a sort of bull fight in Morocco, with the athletic @Etagloc acting as toreador, dangling the red cape of reputed Islamic superiority before the only slightly enraged, and thus rather well behaved, it seems to me, Christian bulls, who occasionally snort, kick and charge the cape

Finally, I might point out that, if I understand it correctly and this following hadith is legitimate and considered authentic, in the face of a sort of universal secularism, a "Novus ordo seclorum," a New Order of the Ages, arguably envisaged and enacted by the Illuminati, which order's stated ambitions and goals were and are the destruction of all religion, not just one, it sounds to me as though Islam's, at least a significant party of Muslims, ultimate destiny might be not to lead, but rather to follow ...

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:​

You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?​

Source​

Interesting. That actually makes sense. I asked for your opinion because recently I've come across a book by Robert Eisenman, in which he is trying to connect the community responsible for writing the Dead Sea scrolls with the Jewish-Christian community of the first century, since he believes there are many parallels between the documents and what Ebionites, Nazarenes and etc had believed. Although his ideas are a little bit controversial and oppose the "consensus" about those scrolls, I found his book about the James the Just quite interesting. Even ignoring his ideas about the connection between the Qumran community and early Christianity, the concept of a Jewish-Christian sort of leader like James whom he is trying to wipe the dust off of, was fascinating to me, because the letter attributed to James in the bible is very similar to the Islamic view of faith. I think talking about James and various types of communities at his time would make an interesting thread. Thanks for sharing your thoughts btw.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

The only difference here is that while Christianity became weaker as a result because the new generation doesn't care about religion. Islam has only gotten stronger because faith is strong. That is why people going through so much can go up and say "Allah is watching and He is just".

While I agree that the new generation doesn't care as much about religion in general, it seems that you think Islam is an exception.

It's not.....at least from what I have experienced.

I go soulwinning regularly and when we get Muslims saved, they happen to be mostly teenagers and young adults.

There are also many ex-Muslims at my church who hide their true beliefs from their parents or spouses, and keep their Bibles on the shelf in the Bible stockroom when they leave because they are terrified of getting "caught".

The majority of ex-Muslims I know are STILL hiding their conversion to Christianity from their families out of fear.

Just saying.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Really? Developments to keep an eye on. Its not like the unraveling happens in a day. Christianity's current problems started in the 50s and 60s. So, for Islam, it would probably take another 50-100 years to actually be at point where female imams or sheikhs are socially accepted. Also, since the future promises more gay people (enviromental factors compromising the endocrine system), concessions will have to be made to accomodate them.

For us, we now have this: the Queen James bible

That book is an abomination.
They are mocking God & have already hijacked the rainbow.
They are not interested in anything other than desecrating God.

 

[DesertRose]

While I agree that the new generation doesn't care as much about religion in general, it seems that you think Islam is an exception.

It's not.....at least from what I have experienced.

LOL Claire you have to agree that your experience is subjective to say the least. Cheers.

 

[TokiEl]

That's why it's difficult to pinpoint the one true message of Christianity.

I will make it clear for you.

The true message of Christianity is that God will forgive your transgressions against His commandments... if you from now on begin to obey them.


Why would someone suddenly begin to obey His commandments ? The correct answer to that question is Jesus Christ.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

LOL Claire you have to agree that your experience is subjective to say the least. Cheers.

I do not agree that my experience is subjective.

These are real people that are my brothers & sisters in Christ that I see regularly, that I worship with & go soul winning & dine with.

A couple years ago one brother, an 18 yr old (whose family came from Malaysia and are devout Muslims) got saved and he hid it from the family for a while.

His parents found out & were furious. His younger sister texted that his dad was planning to give him a vicious beating to force him to come back to Islam, so he was too afraid to even go home that day & ended up taking refuge at another church member’s apartment.

He must have really been scared, because he didn’t even go back for any personal belongings or clothing. He got a job to split rent with his new roommate, & received grants to go to college .

He is still worried about what might happen if his father decides to come looking for him, even though it’s been quite a while since he has even spoken to him.

I asked him once, why his parents were so upset that he had become Christian. If people wanted to leave Christianity, they are free to go without consequences, yet Muslims were seriously terrified that they would be pursued by the very family that claimed to love them.

I just don’t understand that.

I wondered why Muslims got so livid when another Muslim leaves the religion. He told me that believing on Jesus as the Son of God is comparable to idolatry in Islam, and worthy of death.

It seems hard to believe since Muslims claim Islam is a religion of “peace”, but when ALL of the ex-Muslims who were raised in Muslim homes have strikingly similar stories, and you can see the genuine fear & desperation in their eyes.....you know they are telling the truth.

 

[DesertRose]

I do not agree that my experience is subjective.

A couple years ago one brother,

I just don’t understand that.

Your experience.
Your perspective.
Your small circle.


Definition of Objective and Subjective
Objective is a statement that is completely unbiased. It is not touched by the speaker’s previous experiences or tastes. It is verifiable by looking up facts or performing mathematical calculations.

Subjective is a statement that has been colored by the character of the speaker or writer. It often has a basis in reality, but reflects the perspective through which the speaker views reality. It cannot be verified


Stereotyping 1.8 billion based on your small cosmos. Not cool btw.

 

[floss]

It’s true that America has gotten soft and are now preaching a prosperity Gospel.

The mainstream, popularized preachers are Zionist puppets that care NOTHING about God; they are only interested in lining their pockets & are scumbags...wolves in sheeps clothing, and charlatans (Rick Warren, Benny Hinn, John Hager, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar[Seriously?! His surname should be proof enough], etc.) They have infiltrated our churches and as JoChris stated, done abominable things like bring in female "preachers".....in utterly blatant disobedience to the Word of God, as we women are NOT even permitted to speak in church, must less get behind the pulpit, and letting homos in to r*pe the children....It's wicked.....they have no regard for the Bible.

It is the preachers who have allowed this....by selling out, they are leading their sheep to slaughter. There are very few saved, men of God who have the stones to get up behind the pulpit & preach the TRUTH....the WHOLE truth of ALL of the Bible, the RIGHT (KING JAMES) BIBLE, in season AND out, EVEN if it means people will get offended, or the offering plate will be light, or they will lose members(good riddance) because they don't want to hear that divorce is a wicked sin,or fornicators will be cast out, or that drinking alcohol is wicked, and divorce & remarriage is adultery., that homos are NOT WELCOME, or that they need to READ their Bible and come to church, and that wives are COMMANDED by God to RESPECT, OBEY & SUBMIT TO their husband, and that abortion is always cold-blooded MURDER . , and how we ought to be in the world but not OF this world, and our duty as Christians is to love the unsaved enough to tell them the painful truth, that they are unworthy sinners on their way to Hell, but that God loved them enough to give up His ONLY Son to save them from Hell if only they will believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ & call on the Lord they will be SAVED forever...they don't want to be convicted of their sin because then they might have to face it & change how they live their life.
.
Hypocrites they are....they want to talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

THAT is the problem with Christianity.

As I said, Satan has good reason to attack Christianity, because it is the truth, and he will continue to attack it until he is cast into Hell.


Also, since we live relatively luxurious lives compared to most other countries, we have become spoiled & ungrateful. I believe USA is the spiritual Babylon as spoken of in Revelation, and as much as I wish it weren't so, this country is an abomination in the sight of God, and rest assured......God WILL judge us.

It is not a matter of "if", but WHEN.

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Amen! Have you seen this sis?

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Amen! Have you seen this sis?

No but I will now, thanks!

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Not exactly. We put our trust in the Most High. We pray to the Most High constantly, we ask Him for things, we ask Him for help, we ask Him for guidance, and we ask Him not to make us of those who are polytheists. Not once in my life have I or any other Muslim I know call upon Muhammad(pbuh) to guide me and that's because Muhammad(pbuh) was a MAN.

If you believe the Quran & it came by Muhammad, you are following his guidance.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Your experience.
Your perspective.
Your small circle.


Definition of Objective and Subjective
Objective is a statement that is completely unbiased. It is not touched by the speaker’s previous experiences or tastes. It is verifiable by looking up facts or performing mathematical calculations.

Subjective is a statement that has been colored by the character of the speaker or writer. It often has a basis in reality, but reflects the perspective through which the speaker views reality. It cannot be verified


Stereotyping 1.8 billion based on your small cosmos. Not cool btw.

If you come to my church you can speak with the ex-Muslims directly, yourself & verify e

Your experience.
Your perspective.
Your small circle.


Definition of Objective and Subjective
Objective is a statement that is completely unbiased. It is not touched by the speaker’s previous experiences or tastes. It is verifiable by looking up facts or performing mathematical calculations.

Subjective is a statement that has been colored by the character of the speaker or writer. It often has a basis in reality, but reflects the perspective through which the speaker views reality. It cannot be verified


Stereotyping 1.8 billion based on your small cosmos. Not cool btw.

sub·jec·tive

səbˈjektiv/

adjective

1. 1.
   based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
   "his views are highly subjective"
2. synonymsersonal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive
3. "a subjective analysis"

Again, the information I gave is factual, not subjective.

And....They CAN be verified.....come to my church and meet the ex-Muslims & they will tell you exactly what they experienced.
We'd love to have you.

 

[DesertRose]

Again, the information I gave is factual, not subjective.

You need to relearn these concepts most people are aware of the difference.
I'll make it simple for you personal opinions do not qualify.
Once again basing observation of over 1.8 Billion people on your circle of worshippers is subjective not objective.
You can certainly qualify for the Orwellian newspeak society Claire.
subjective: based on personal opinions, assumptions, interpretations and beliefs.
commonly found in newspaper editorials, blogs, biographies and comments on the internet.

 

[Haich]

Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Is Jesus son of Mary?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who is god?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Jesus is the begotten son?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who is the father?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Jesus died on the cross?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who resurrected him?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Is Jesus a messenger?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who sent him?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Did Jesus worship while on earth?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Whom did he worship?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Did God have a beginning?

Christian: No



Muslim: So who was born on the 25th December?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Where is God?

Christian: In heaven



Muslim: How many Gods are there in heaven?

Christian: Only one God



Muslim: Where is Jesus?

Christian: He’s seated on the right hand side of his father



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Then how many Gods are in heaven?

Christian: Only one God



Muslim: How many seats?

Christian: One



Muslim: Where’s Jesus?

Christian: Seated next to God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



R.I.P Christians, is this logic?



God is not the author of confusion. (Corinthians 14:33)

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Is Jesus son of Mary?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who is god?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Jesus is the begotten son?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who is the father?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Jesus died on the cross?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who resurrected him?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Is Jesus a messenger?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Who sent him?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Did Jesus worship while on earth?

Christian: Yes



Muslim: Whom did he worship?

Christian: God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Did God have a beginning?

Christian: No



Muslim: So who was born on the 25th December?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Where is God?

Christian: In heaven



Muslim: How many Gods are there in heaven?

Christian: Only one God



Muslim: Where is Jesus?

Christian: He’s seated on the right hand side of his father



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



Muslim: Then how many Gods are in heaven?

Christian: Only one God



Muslim: How many seats?

Christian: One



Muslim: Where’s Jesus?

Christian: Seated next to God



Muslim: Who is God?

Christian: Jesus



R.I.P Christians, is this logic?



God is not the author of confusion. (Corinthians 14:33)

Look it’s simple ...there is only ONE God...there are 3 that bear witness in Heaven: God the Father. God the Word (Jesus). God the Holy Spirit. THESE THREE ARE ONE.

You don’t have to understand it to be saved, but you have to believe it.

If you can just BELIEVE it, THEN God will give you the understanding.

You have to TRUST God that it is true without evidence.

That is the very definition of FAITH.

You are not trusting God. You do not have faith.

Islam is based on “logic”.,. MAN’S logic. Islam does not require FAITH.

Without FAITH it is impossible to please Him.

 

[Haich]

Of course Islam requires faith, don't be silly Claire. You know it does, upon entering Islam you declare and let your faith be known.

 

[Haich]

You don’t have to understand it to be saved, but you have to believe it.

How in the blue hell does this make sense?!