Dr. William Campbell destroyed by Dr. Zakir Naik on scientific errors in the Bible MUST WATCH!!

[Etagloc]

The smoking-gun evidence is right there. If you want more, look at the hypocrisy of so-called "Christians". Christianity is dead. It's a joke. It's a sinking ship.

Look at how Christians support the murder of Palestinians.

You don't have to passively suffer. You can free yourself. You don't have to put up with the Christian hypocrisy which can be so easily seen.

You can leave Christianity and you can join with the real soldiers against the NWO- you can submit your will to Allah and become a Muslim.

Follow the religion of Abraham (PBUH). Follow the religion of Jesus (PBUH).

Jesus (PBUH) never told anyone to worship him. God isn't three and God isn't a human. God is One. He neither begets nor is begotten I am inviting you to monotheism.

The facts are clear. The facts are obvious. The Bible clearly is untrustworthy. I want you to follow the true religion. Islam is the perfect religion. Muslims aren't perfect- but at least we're still distinguishable. You can't tell Christians and non-Christians apart.

I want what's best for you. I want Islam for you. Examine the evidence for yourself. I know people post anti-Islam stuff, attack Muslims and push an anti-Islam agenda. They can that all they want- the facts are on Islam's side. Look at how we need modern biology to more fully understand Quran verses

Look at how a book revealed 1,400 years ago described the expansion of the universe

It took science over a thousand years to catch up.

It's like I say to people all the time- Muslims love to talk about science and the Quran. I could posts tons of videos showing how the Quran was ahead of science and science confirms the Quran. But with this thread, let's look at Christianity.

I am asking you to think critically. This is important- no less than the salvation of one's soul is at stake- so you need to think critically and objectively.

The Christian doctrines don't withstand scrutiny.

See for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMmqBFwT8VY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdxPcJc9Elc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWjIopJQ4Y

I am pointing towards the truth. Study the evidence. Learn the facts. Leave behind Christianity. You don't have to suffer being in a sinking boat of hypocrites indistinguishable from the rest of society. There is a better way. A perfect way, in fact. And that perfect way is the religion of Abraham (PBUH), the religion of Jesus (PBUH), the religion of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)- the religion we call Islam. I call you to leave behind falsehood and become a Muslim. Society is sinking and Christianity is looking the other way and doing nothing about it- but there is hope. And that hope is called "Islam".

For more information on the important topic of why Christians need to become Muslims, see this link:
https://entranceofcave.blogspot.com/2018/07/why-should-christians-become-muslim.html

Christianity wants to put you to sleep. Christianity teaches polytheistic doctrines that contradict monotheism and God's Oneness. Christianity doesn't want you to think critically. Islam wants you to think. Islam is a thinking person's religion.

Christianity is on a mission to passively sit back, "not rock the boat", check out of reality and do nothing while the world goes downhill. Islam is on a mission to save the world- and your soul.

Thank you for reading, I hope you examine the material. May Allah guide you. Aameen.

-Etagloc

 

[JoChris]

I will let the Science minded Christians battle this one.

For the rest of your entry, the fact is:
Islam is a religion founded by an illiterate man born in 6th century AD, half a millennium after Jesus walked the earth. He never understood Christian theology.

Islam's only truly moral teachings are paraphrases of Jewish teachings and customs. A lot of practical instruction on bodily hygiene does NOT make a man a prophet.

Muhammad even got his message from an angel, something clearly spoken against by the apostle Paul in the Book of Galatians.

Galatians 1: 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


Any Christian who converts to Islam is obviously a fake convert/ cultural Christian ONLY.



This will be my only comment here.

P.S.The difference between last century and now is that the vast majority of western people feel no need to pretend to be religious. Fake converts are becoming rarer as a result. There would be many fake Muslims in Muslim countries for personal safety reasons. People like yourself fail to acknowledge that.

Christianity still does evangelise and reach out to people - as I am proving right now online. There are plenty of missionaries despite lack of news coverage in mainstream news. My pastor and men from the church still go on the streets and do fundraising for Christian missionaries overseas.

 

[Etagloc]

It's pretty clear that Christianity doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I'm simply trying to point people towards monotheism.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

It's pretty clear that Christianity doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

I'm simply trying to point people towards monotheism.

I have found that many people will research what they need to in order to support the things they have faith it. That is not to say that such a search is a merely existential leap of faith, devoid of reason.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/confirmation-bias-and-faith.1405/

As an example @Etagloc - you wanted to believe what Bart Ehrmann was claiming about the text of the Bible, but didn't want to hear the rebuttal...

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-critical-text-criticized.3461/

Evolutionists wish to attack the statements about origins in the Bible, but rarely have the training or inclination to investigate the case for Biblical creation.

https://creation.com

People wish to believe all manner of nonsense about "contradictions in the Bible" but dislike the resources that provide understanding and explanation of the deeper things of scripture, e.g.

http://www.khouse.org

In the end, if you do not wish to believe in Christianity and choose to reject the Bible, that's your call. Just remember, you are not playing poker for matches, it's your soul that is on the line.

You put your trust in Muhammad, I put mine in the Lord Jesus Christ. As a child, I remember reading the following and it really struck me, "Do you put your trust in God who knows everything, or men who don't".

Up to you.

 

[Kung Fu]

This will be my only comment here.

It was your only comment but quite the useless comment at that. You weren't really saying anything.

 

[Kung Fu]

You put your trust in Muhammad, I put mine in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not exactly. We put our trust in the Most High. We pray to the Most High constantly, we ask Him for things, we ask Him for help, we ask Him for guidance, and we ask Him not to make us of those who are polytheists. Not once in my life have I or any other Muslim I know call upon Muhammad(pbuh) to guide me and that's because Muhammad(pbuh) was a MAN.

 

[Etagloc]

Waiting for a Christian to show me where in the Bible Jesus (PBUH) says worship him^

What Jesus says is this:

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

-Luke 18:19

Cue the logical gymnastics.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

-Matthew 24:36

So even if we accept that Jesus (PBUH) really said that (I don't believe the last bit, as God has no son)-

according to the Bible- Jesus (PBUH) doesn't know the hour.

This means that Jesus (PBUH)- even from a Bible point of view- was not all-knowing.

That means Jesus (PBUH) wasn't God.

Is God God or not? Is God All-Knowing or isn't He?

God is All-Knowing. Therefore if Jesus (PBUH) isn't all-knowing- then he can't be God.


What's funny is- I was trying to be on good terms with the Christians, I was trying to be friendly.
I was trying to be friendly with the Christians but the Christians didn't want to be friendly with me.
They're supposed to "turn the other cheek" even if you antagonize them but they were being hostile towards me even when I was trying to be friendly.
That was how they thanked me. I'm a nice guy. I'm a friendly guy. I want to be friendly and other people want to reward me with hostility and trying to attack me. They talk Christianity but they don't live it.

Since the Christians don't want to be friendly, since it's the Christians who want to be hostile, since it's the Christians who want to harass and antagonize me when I'm trying to be friendly with them- fine.

Don't get mad at me. You want to throw stones while you're sitting in a glass house- while I'm sitting here with a rocket launcher.

I'm not friendly because I'm coming from a position of weakness. I'm friendly because I'm a geniuinely friendly and warm-hearted person. But people want to harass me, people want to antagonize me, people want to slander me- because they don't like what I represent. They don't want to peacefully co-exist- they don't want my voice to be heard and don't think I should be able to say my point of view. That hurts my feelings. They'd rather insult me, try to shame me, try to discredit me- they don't want to peacefully debate- they want to attack me personally. And that does hurt my feelings- I want to peacefully and respectfully co-exist with others- but they don't want to peacefully co-exist with me?!

It took a minute- but I understand it.

They're coming from a position of weakness. I'm coming from a position of power.

When you have facts, logic, mountains of evidence, and truth on your side- that's power. When you rely on logic, facts and evidence- that's power.

When you rely on blind assumptions- it's weakness. When you have to rely on insults and harassment- that's weakness.

I'mma get off the soapbox in a minute insha'Allah but-
what's crazy is- Western society is turning into Sodom and Gomorrah.

I mean... look at these articles- are people not reading Vigilant Citizen? Are they not on the same website I'm on? Don't they read these articles? Do they not see? Do they not think? Do they not reason?

And what's crazy is- with all the degeneracy, with all the filth, with all the moral decline, all the sewage poured into the masses brains- the Christians would rather attack Muslims-

they would rather attack Muslims than to save their own societies. They would rather watch their societies sink than to be friendly with Muslims- than to work together with Muslims.

Islam has the answer. Islam has the truth. We insha'Allah could clean your societies. Islam has the light. Islam can save the peoples. Islam has the solution.

People would rather do anything- anything!- than to calmly accept the solution- than to submit to the will of God. "Save us!" "Save us!"

People- they'll go vegan. They'll get plastic surgery. They'll get Botox. But submit to Allah- "oh!!!! the horror!"- they'll do just about- except bow down to God. Or even just be friendly and peaceful and co-exist with those who do.

Things have to change. Someone has to do something. And you know and I know that that "someone" isn't Christians. They were content to let society go down the drain and they're content to sit back and let it continue. They won't even speak against. And if you have the backbone, you have the spine and you're willing to speak the truth- they want to silence you. If you're not willing to speak the truth, if you aren't willing to accept it- stand out of the way and don't interfere with those who will stand for the truth.

Someone has to do something. And it's not like the Christians are going to do anything. ( https://www.henrymakow.com/001537.html )

They'd rather fill your ear with a bunch of strange mumbo-jumbo to justify not doing anything- than to actually do anything.

Islam isn't just about ideas and doctrine. It isn't about "faith without works" so you can do whatever you want, treat others however you want and then expect heaven just because you believed a doctrine. Islam is a practical religion, it gets practical results and it does practical things for society.

Christians, there is a better way. You have the answer right in front of you. I was raised Christian. I made the leap. You can too.

 

[Haich]

Not once in my life have I or any other Muslim I know call upon Muhammad(pbuh) to guide me and that's because Muhammad(pbuh) was a MAN.

Shias call on other than Allah. Just thought I'd mention it before the Christians tossed it in.

Shias have deviant practices so it's important to distinguish this particularity as it's exclusive to them.

 

[Kung Fu]

Islam wants you to think. Islam is a thinking person's religion.

Reminds of an awesome verse in the Quran.

"Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense."

-8:22, Quran.

 

[Kung Fu]

Shias call on other than Allah. Just thought I'd mention it before the Christians tossed it in.

Shias have deviant practices so it's important to distinguish this particularity as it's exclusive to them.

Depends on the shia sect. There shias who are almost extremists in their religion and would never call upon Muhammad(pbuh) or any other man. Then there are shias that do some of the most ridiculous and craziest things.

Shias are a diverse and weird bunch. Thanks for the heads up

 

[Haich]

Yusuf Estes is a good guy to listen to, especially if you're viewing God from a Christian/Catholic lens.

He recommends people read the Koine Greek words of the bible and discover for themselves, the root words of wholy debated terms. You'll see for yourselves how corrupted your book is.

Every Muslim learns the Arabic in the Qur'an to enable them to read the direct word of God. You can recite any verse and you'll find people from all over the globe, with absolutely no cultural, lingual or geographical commonalities, reciting the word of God with absolute accuracy.

Please bring forth a Christian who can recite the bible in Aramaic or Koine Greek. Do yourselves a favour and stop reading it in English because the meaning has not only been distorted, it's been incredibly misconstrued.

 

[Haich]

Depends on the shia sect. There shias who are almost extremists in their religion and would never call upon Muhammad(pbuh) or any other man. Then there are shias that do some of the most ridiculous and craziest things.

Shias are a diverse and weird bunch. Thanks for the heads up

Yes, very true I should've made that distinction. I was under the impression that they called upon the 12 'infallible' imams which some sects of shia, consider to be a pillar of faith. Many also call upon Ali (ra), but you're right, it's important not to group them as one.

Jzk brother

 

[Haich]

The ones in my vicinity always call upon Allah and Ali. Some shias in other countries probably don't.

 

[Haich]

Genuine question to the Christians- Why do you study the bible in English if Jesus spoke Aramaic? Surely the language of revelation should be taught?

I'm not well versed on the history of the bible but I've always found it odd that only the English copies were studied.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Not exactly. We put our trust in the Most High. We pray to the Most High constantly, we ask Him for things, we ask Him for help, we ask Him for guidance, and we ask Him not to make us of those who are polytheists. Not once in my life have I or any other Muslim I know call upon Muhammad(pbuh) to guide me and that's because Muhammad(pbuh) was a MAN.

Yet you trust the integrity of his message. I have been here long enough to see how such "conversations" go so I won't be rude or try to force you into a different perspective. You are welcome to believe what you want about Christians, The Bible and our Lord.

I could try to put before you some of the confirmations of what I believe but I don't think from what I have observed her it will make any difference. I didn't come here to gloat or to goad any of you, but to share the Gospel as I suspect Jesus is coming soon.

It is with sadness that I have to leave you to your choice.

 

[Haich]

@Red Sky at Morning
Hope you don't mind me intruding in your dialogue with KF, but with regards to your attempt at spreading the words of Jesus, I have to say as a somewhat silent lurker of these threads, I haven't been convinced of your faith by any Christian on here.

I think the issue could be a lack of clear evidence to actually substantiate the main claim of Christians- is Jesus God?
I'm afraid I personally haven't seen enough compelling evidence to support that, so with your preaching, if you do wish to be successful in saving others, maybe some etymological research into disputed terms referenced in the bible, which prove that Jesus was in factually God, would help your cause.

 

[manama]

Christians say that God is Jesus' father, but God is also their father? And Jesus is God's son but rest of humanity are also children of God? Are all Christians Jesus then? mind = blown.

Jokes aside, I love that debate. Nothing more interesting than seeing a man's own written book destroyed in a debate with him.

P.s. Stop using the word "Science-minded" Christians, its literally an insult when you believe in a scripture that Science can prove wrong in 2 minutes.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@Red Sky at Morning
Hope you don't mind me intruding in your dialogue with KF, but with regards to your attempt at spreading the words of Jesus, I have to say as a somewhat silent lurker of these threads, I haven't been convinced of your faith by any Christian on here.

I think the issue could be a lack of clear evidence to actually substantiate the main claim of Christians- is Jesus God?
I'm afraid I personally haven't seen enough compelling evidence to support that, so with your preaching, if you do wish to be successful in saving others, maybe some etymological research into disputed terms referenced in the bible, which prove that Jesus was in factually God, would help your cause.

Do you dispute with Christians because you want to understand why Jesus is also God, or because you don't wish Him to be?

As regards persuading you of anything, that is beyond my pay grade ;-) I have shared with you as best I can, and can do no more.


With respect...

 

[Kung Fu]

Yet you trust the integrity of his message. I have been here long enough to see how such "conversations" go so I won't be rude or try to force you into a different perspective. You are welcome to believe what you want about Christians, The Bible and our Lord.

I could try to put before you some of the confirmations of what I believe but I don't think from what I have observed her it will make any difference. I didn't come here to float or to goad any of you, but to share the Gospel as I suspect Jesus is coming soon.

It is with sadness that I have to leave you to your choice.

His message was no different than the message of Abraham(pbuh), Moses(pbuh), and or Jesus. Tell me where I'm wrong here with this statement, Muhammad (pbuh) told us to worship only One God and that we should only put our Trust in Him just as Abraham(pbuh) and the rest of the prophets did. For crying out loud when Jesus prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed in a manner similar to how Muhammad(pbuh) prayed.

I have nothing against Christians. Half of of my family consists of Christians. I believe there are Christians that are more logical and open minded and then there are Christians who are devious, deceitful, and more of a Zionist then they are Christian.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@Serveto

As the whole premise is an ad hominem attack against Christianity, I defer to the words of Gameliel in Acts 5.

Gamaliel's Counsel

33When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them. 34Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; 35And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. 36For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. 37After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. 38And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.