Did Pain Medication Turn this Man into a Sodomite?

[manama]

Gender dysphoria is an actual thing and it has been studied. There have been transgender people all throughout human history, it has only recently become politicized... but it is certainly real. They are just a very small part of the human population, that doesn't mean that their experiences are invalid, they should be supported and treated respectfully/equally as human beings.

lmao and gender dysphoria like BDD is a "disorder" for which you need therapy to go back to normal, and that therapy is definitely not "hormone therapy"..
Yea yea gender is not a real thing, gender is a social construct, boys can do what women can and wear make up and vice versa and gender don't matter unless it comes to transgenders because then gender is "very real" lol. Its hypocrisy love and you can not have it both ways.

Children are way smarter and able to absorb information way faster than grownups. There is a reason why children can be bilingual easily.
The pro-gay propagandists want children to absorb LGBTQ (etc) material before they gain the critical thinking skills.

The earlier they brainwash kids, the better it suits their motives. I don't understand how people talk about the "elites" and then fail to realize that elites are the one pushing this agenda. Its suits them, its what they want. Thats why people are taught to be comfortable in their skins if they are fat etc but when it comes to gender? Nah just go on and shove needles down your throat and ruin your body to become an abomination.

 

[mecca]

These days I would have been convinced I was gay by the time I was 14 and then bisexual at 15.

So you're saying you don't know who you are? You will always be the one that has to determine for yourself if you're interested or not interested in any type of relationship, no one can determine that for you. People can't be forced into being attracted to something that they don't like so you would have most likely ended up the same regardless of when you were born.

I am so glad I was not born in this generation......

Why are you blaming a generation? There's nothing wrong with people who are younger than you.
Here's a funny/interesting article: THE 2,500-YEAR-OLD HISTORY OF ADULTS BLAMING THE YOUNGER GENERATION

 

[manama]

People can't be forced into being attracted to something that they don't like

Yes they can, thats why majority of sexually confused people or gay people have a history of abuse. Its not even limited to that, most people who have been abused younger, tend to grow up only to look for someone that resembles their abuser.

 

[JoChris]

So you're saying you don't know who you are? You will always be the one that has to determine for yourself if you're interested or not interested in any type of relationship, no one can determine that for you. People can't be forced into being attracted to something that they don't like so you would have most likely ended up the same regardless of when you were born.

Why are you blaming a generation? There's nothing wrong with people who are younger than you.
Here's a funny/interesting article: THE 2,500-YEAR-OLD HISTORY OF ADULTS BLAMING THE YOUNGER GENERATION

I am a happily married middle aged woman, mother of 2 young men. I am very sure about my sexuality. I am secure in my heterosexuality.
I am saying I may have been negatively influenced if I was in my early teens NOW.

 

[mecca]

lmao and gender dysphoria like BDD is a "disorder" for which you need therapy to go back to normal, and that therapy is definitely not "hormone therapy"..

The thing that alleviates gender dysphoria is transitioning. Some people might want to try something else and if that works for them then that's fine and great, but the majority of transgender people need to transition and they need support from their communities in that.

Yea yea gender is not a real thing, gender is a social construct, boys can do what women can and wear make up and vice versa and gender don't matter unless it comes to transgenders because then gender is "very real" lol. Its hypocrisy love and you can not have it both ways.

... I didn't say anything about that. Gender identity is a real and valid thing. All people have a gender identity. Gender roles are the socially constructed ideas for how people of certain genders should behave. But instead of forcing someone to do something because they are a man or a woman, people should instead be able to choose and pursue the things that they are interested in and shouldn't have to face pressure for going against a role. A woman can pursue a career. Men can help raise and care for their children. I think everyone should be doing these things.

 

[mecca]

am a happily married middle aged woman, mother of 2 young men. I am very sure about my sexuality. I am secure in my heterosexuality. I am saying I may have been negatively influenced if I was in my early teens NOW.

What I'm saying is that people can't tell you that you are a bisexual, other people can't tell you who you like. You would have to be the one to know whether you are attracted to women or not. And your lack of attraction to women would still exist even if you were born in this current generation.

 

[JoChris]

What I'm saying is that people can't tell you that you are a bisexual. They can't tell you who you like, you're the only one who could know. You would have to be the one to know whether you are attracted to women or not. And your lack of attraction to women would still exist even if you were born in this current generation.

No I am not a bisexual. *sigh*
You just demonstrated the very black-and-white, narrowminded viewpoint 21st century people have about sexual attraction.

Now as soon as a young person realizes they are attracted to e.g. a friend they - thanks to media/ education - diagnose themselves as gay. Permanently. They never will be straight again. Destiny is to be LGBT (etc) from now on, trying whatever takes their fancy, losing self-respect, gaining shame, losing opportunity to be parent to own children naturally etc.

No-one seems to just shrug their shoulders, just say to themselves "no thanks, price is too high to pay, this is weird" and just ignore it until it went away LIKE I DID.

 

[mecca]

No I am not a bisexual. *sigh*

Yeah I know that you're not... but you said that if you were born in this generation, you would have been convinced that you were a bisexual by the time you were 15... just for having a small crush. What I'm saying is that no one can convince you that you're bisexual, you would have to know for yourself that you actually like men and women. And if you could realize that you don't really like women in the past then you can realize that now because that's just who you are.

 

[JoChris]

Yeah I know that you're not... but you said that if you were born in this generation, you would have been convinced that you were a bisexual by the time you were 15. What I'm saying is that no one can convince you that you're bisexual, you would have to know for yourself that you like men and women.

If someone is taught a way to interpret the world from a very young age it is very hard to not see the world otherwise.

How many young people who experience what I did in my teens would say to themselves "I am choosing to ignore those feelings because ***I don't understand why I feel them*** "?

 

[mecca]

How many young people who experience what I did in my teens would say to themselves "I am choosing to ignore those feelings because ***I don't understand why I feel them*** "?

Plenty, I'm sure... that's why there's always stories of people coming out when they're older... because they were ignoring that part of themselves. For other people that feeling could just go away because it was just a fleeting crush and they aren't truly interested in any romantic partnerships with the same sex. And I know (from what I've heard/studied) that gay people take a long while to come to terms with themselves and their sexuality, they have to first feel comfortable with themselves then they have to feel comfortable enough to say it out loud or tell their families and then they can try to be in relationships... it's typically not an instant automatic process. It takes a lot of introspection and it probably takes a while to gain an understanding especially since there are plenty of people in the world who hate gay people for who they are.

 

[JoChris]

Plenty, I'm sure... that's why there's always stories of people coming out when they're older... because they were ignoring that part of themselves. For other people that feeling could just go away because it was just a fleeting crush and they aren't truly interested in any romantic partnerships with the same sex. And I know (from what I've heard/studied) that gay people take a long while to come to terms with themselves and their sexuality, they have to first feel comfortable with themselves then they have to feel comfortable enough to say it out loud or tell their families and then they can try to be in relationships... it's typically not an instant automatic process. It takes a lot of introspection and it probably takes a while to gain an understanding especially since there are plenty of people in the world who hate gay people for who they are.

People *used to* come out publicly when they were much older i.e. to everyone. I bet with Baby Boomers and Gen X (me) it took decades. Like I said it wasn't talked about. To embrace the gay lifestyle a person would have to have left home already.

With my niece (via in-laws) - born 1997 - it took 1-2 years. She decided to act on the attraction and now she has made the experiment her (allegedly) permanent identity.

Pointing out the painfully obvious fact that homosexuality (etc) is unnatural/ severe personal consequences is not showing hatred to the person struggling with certain desires. They know deep down that people who tell them what they want to hear are liars, but they would rather be with the smooth-talking liars than us truth-telling meanies.

 

[manama]

The thing that alleviates gender dysphoria is transitioning. Some people might want to try something else and if that works for them then that's fine, but the majority of transgender people need to transition and they need support from their communities in that.

... I didn't say anything about that. Gender identity is a real and valid thing. All people have a gender identity. Gender roles are the socially constructed ideas for how people of certain genders should behave. But instead of forcing someone to do something because they are a man or a woman, people should instead be able to choose and pursue the things that they are interested in and shouldn't have to face pressure for going against a role. A woman can pursue a career. Men can help raise and care for their children.

Lmao whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[mecca]

Lmao whatever helps you sleep at night.

Ok...

 

[Faker He-Man]

It isn't just ridicule the non-PC crowd (I am in that group) are facing now though.
ABC News - woman fired "for no-vote" opinion against gay marriage
14 Canadians fired for mean social media posts - see Damian Goddard
Daily Mail - (Australia) students' grades slashed for using gendered language

Jobs lost and lowered grades for daring to have a non-PC viewpoint.

That's unfortunate, but this raises a completely separate issue: should a business be obligated to keep employees who are publicly vocal in ways that are directly at odds with the company's public image? Does a business have a right to portray themselves in the manner of their choosing, as long as no laws are being broken? I think so. I'm not sure how it works in Aus, but in the U.S. the first amendment has never protected private employees from being fired, only public ones. At-will employees can be fired for any reason whatsoever as long as it's not illegal. There was also a time not long ago when it was perfectly legal to fire and employee just for being openly gay, but thankfully states are adding that to their non-discrimination statutes.

Also, it's not uncommon for a person to be mostly heterosexual but also just a little bit bi. Finding yourself within that particular portion of the spectrum seems to be especially common in females more so than males. It's nothing to be ashamed of. I would argue that in the past it was social pressure creating that belief in shamefulness, which is changing for the better. Thankfully.

Also, I do happen to agree that children are exposed to this weird modern hyper-sexuality far too early, and kids should be allowed to just be kids.

I would also include religion as another adult subject they should not be pressured into when they are still young and vulnerable. They should be left to decide on their own when they have more ability to reason for themselves.

@mecca thanks for your efforts. I 100% agree that it should NOT be such a big deal, but apparently it IS a big deal for some people. Such a huge deal apparently that in 2018 there are still people like @Etagloc who would enjoy seeing them persecuted under the law, which is exactly why we do need to create more awareness in general, starting at a young age. Not indoctrination, that's unnecessary. Just simple awareness, which apparently is still taboo and too scary for some just because it was not that way in the past. Attitudes changing to be more inclusive is a positive outcome, not a negative one.

 

[Haich]

Yes exactly, they were an angry mob of rapists and thieves... not gay people

They were sodomizing each other. Sodomy is clearly condemned and if you don't believe it, please state your evidence and refer to the Arabic.

As you know, we don't call for the oppression of gay people. However, homosexuality is a sin in Islam and acting upon one's urges to mount a man's buttocks (or sodomy in heterosexual relationships) is an absolute abomination. This doesn't mean we should attack people who identify as gay. The issue at hand is the normalisation of an act which has never been accepted by mainstream society - for good reason at that.

By all means, be gay and live as you wish but that's not enough for them. To then redefine the clear authority sent down by the creator and deliberately misconstrue the meaning to fit with the narrative is where I take issue.

 

[Haich]

They wanted to attack/abuse Lut for intruding on their territory and claiming prophethood, it has nothing to do with sexuality or sexual preference. The men who were a part of that mob were married to women, they were heterosexuals... but r*pe itself is an act of violence to exert power

Nah bruh they wanted to come in and r*pe the angels who were in the form of men and chilling in Lut's house. He literally offered them his daughters and they refused and told him straight up they wanted access to those men.

You're very confused and you're conflating a lot of different issues. The lut story isn't implying they were rapists because they were gay, the two things just happened to be inherent attributes the mob had, not interdependent. And it wasn't a mob it was the entire city pretty much. Another lesson I personally took from it was when we push the boundaries of sexual gratification, we yearn for more and create and normalize unimaginable acts.

These men were not satisfied with being with one partner. Their sexuality turned into a perversion And their deviance grew to an extent where in order to get a sexual thrill, they had to r*pe.

If you look at the level of rampancy prevalent in the gay dating scene, similar parallels can be drawn. This insatiable appetite for ass which the people of Lut had, is visible in modern day gay scenes. Apps like grindr are an example of the promiscuous nature of homosexual relationships. They party hard and have hard sex. Again, I'm not saying being gay makes you automatically akin to these tendencies, but it is part of gay culture. It's a highly sexualisdd culture where older men tend to seek out or prey on vulnerable younger gay men.

If you look at the lives of famous gay men such as Gianni Versace, where he would have hoards of young men and do orgies with vulnerable escorts, you'd understand why the story of Lut talks extensively about the lack of morality that comes as a result of pushing the boundaries of what our bodies are designed to enjoy.

Scientifically speaking, when we consider the actual anatomy and function of the anal cavity, you can not prove to me it was designed for sexual enjoyment and penetration. The lining is thin, which is why many rampant sodomites have incontinence issues, not to mention the hundreds of diseases and infectious illnesses which come as a result of the act.

Science is only ever relevant when it confirms the narrative. And the Qur'an is only relevant until you feel you disagree with the scholars who have meticulously studied and translated and scrutinised every vowel and letter, to give you the unaltered tafsir you see today. I don't know of one scholar, who has disagreed with the condemnation of sodomy in the story of Lut.

 

[Haich]

Some men back then raped other men to exert power over them and humiliate them, and they were heterosexuals, not homosexuals. Actual homosexual people in the modern day want to be in consensual relationships with people they love, they aren't rapists. Also the entire concept of offering women up to some group of guys is wrong, it wouldn't have been okay if they raped the women.

You're now discussing r*pe which wasn't the focus of my point but I do agree that it's a total exertion of power.

Lol I never claimed every gay person is a rapist but again, I'll say this. They aren't content with acceptance, they want to redefine the laws of religious scripture to justify their lifestyles. This is why people have taken issue with some lgbt movements. First acceptance, then redefinition.

Wow. Listen, Lut didn't just pluck his daughters and enforce marriage on to them. This was a prophet of God and I'm pretty sure they consented to the idea of potentially marrying them.

Again you are just displaying your ignorance of your own faith. He offered them in marriage. That's how things were back then. He didn't offer them up for r*pe! Lut tried to plead to their better nature and told them it's better to marry and abide by marital laws than to attack people. It was their last chance in a sense to wake up and realise the evil of their actions but they were so engrossed in their desires, they refused to see sense. That's why that point was so important because Lut still had faith they'd change, but of course they didn't and they were destroyed.

 

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[Faker He-Man]

By all means, be gay and live as you wish but that's not enough for them.

"Be gay and live as you wish" sounds simple enough, but it is far from reality, and shows that you don't understand the situation. We tend to downplay human rights issues that don't affect us personally, so it's hard to see. Do you really think they would care much at all about others' opinions if they were granted freedom from discrimination, and those opinions no longer directly affected how they are able to live their lives? You should read this article:
https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/19/all-we-want-equality/religious-exemptions-and-discrimination-against-lgbt-people

 

[Haich]

"Be gay and live as you wish" sounds simple enough, but it is far from reality, and shows that you don't understand the situation. We tend to downplay human rights issues that don't affect us personally, so it's hard to see. Do you really think they would care much at all about others' opinions if they were granted freedom from discrimination, and those opinions no longer directly affected how they are able to live their lives? You should read this article:
https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/19/all-we-want-equality/religious-exemptions-and-discrimination-against-lgbt-people

You're right I don't understand the daily struggles they go through and have never claimed to. I don't agree with the discrimination they face and don't support their oppression. However the same calls and support should be made for more pressing matters where people are being slaughtered and oppressed by ruthless leaderships or western fighter jets.

Sexuality and lbgt rights are most definitely a 1st world issue.