LGBTQ activists block Tel Aviv Pride March: 'There is no pride in occupation'

TempestOfTempo

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No, they're living openly. They just had their big parade.

What do you think they do with them?
from the very article you posted......
"Ishtiwi’s family, Hamas loyalists, broke rank to condemn his execution, saying that “what happened was part of an internal settling of scores.” They said that he was set up by the militant group and was tortured into making false confessions."
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"Ishtiwi, who had two wives and three children, carved the word zulum, or wronged, into his body while he was in prison, his family said. They said Ishtiwi told them during a family visit to the jail that he had been whipped, deprived of sleep and hung from the ceiling during his detention."
 

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I think that between their general culture and the current state of their affairs, the will isn't there for that kind of persecution. If they catch a gay dude doing something in public or something egregious in private, that could boil over into a lynch mob situation..... but it doesnt seem like its in their character.
Why does it seem out of their character? I’ve seen multiple sources say homosexuality is punishable, death included, in lslamic societies.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/ugly-truth-about-sharia-law/
 

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from the very article you posted......
"Ishtiwi’s family, Hamas loyalists, broke rank to condemn his execution, saying that “what happened was part of an internal settling of scores.” They said that he was set up by the militant group and was tortured into making false confessions."
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"Ishtiwi, who had two wives and three children, carved the word zulum, or wronged, into his body while he was in prison, his family said. They said Ishtiwi told them during a family visit to the jail that he had been whipped, deprived of sleep and hung from the ceiling during his detention."
But he was still executed under the accusation of being gay, whether he was gay or not. This means that in Gaza, being gay is grounds for execution.
 

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I am just unaware of a mass-movement towards the killing of homosexuals in Gaza. Im not saying they dont live under oppression, but I have yet to see credible evidence of general violence directed towards them in Gaza.
Does it need to be "mass...?"


HAMAS EXECUTES PROMINENT COMMANDER AFTER ACCUSATIONS OF GAY SEX

BY JACK MOORE ON 3/2/16 AT 8:23 AM


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Here are the 10 countries where homosexuality may be punishable by death:

Yemen: According to the 1994 penal code, married men can be sentenced to death by stoning for homosexual intercourse. Unmarried men face whipping or one year in prison. Women face up to seven years in prison.

Iran: In accordance with sharia law, homosexual intercourse between men can be punished by death, and men can be flogged for lesser acts such as kissing. Women may be flogged.

Mauritania: Muslim men engaging in homosexual sex can be stoned to death, according to a 1984 law, though none have been executed so far. Women face prison.

Nigeria: Federal law classifies homosexual behavior as a felony punishable by imprisonment, but several states have adopted sharia law and imposed a death penalty for men. A law signed in early January makes it illegal for gay people countrywide to hold a meeting or form clubs.

Qatar: Sharia law in Qatar applies only to Muslims, who can be put to death for extramarital sex, regardless of sexual orientation.

Saudi Arabia: Under the country’s interpretation of sharia law, a married man engaging in sodomy or any non-Muslim who commits sodomy with a Muslim can be stoned to death. All sex outside of marriage is illegal.

Afghanistan: The Afghan Penal Code does not refer to homosexual acts, but Article 130 of the Constitution allows recourse to be made to sharia law, which prohibits same-sex sexual activity in general. Afghanistan’s sharia law criminalizes same-sex sexual acts with a maximum of the death penalty. No known cases of death sentences have been meted out since the end of Taliban rule in 2001.

Somalia: The penal code stipulates prison, but in some southern regions, Islamic courts have imposed sharia law and the death penalty.

Sudan: Three-time offenders under the sodomy law can be put to death; first and second convictions result in flogging and imprisonment. Southern parts of the country have adopted more lenient laws.

United Arab Emirates: Lawyers in the country and other experts disagree on whether federal law prescribes the death penalty for consensual homosexual sex or only for r*pe. In a recent Amnesty International report, the organization said it was not aware of any death sentences for homosexual acts. All sexual acts outside of marriage are banned.
 

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I am just unaware of a mass-movement towards the killing of homosexuals in Gaza. Im not saying they dont live under oppression, but I have yet to see credible evidence of general violence directed towards them in Gaza.
No one said there was a mass movement to kill homosexuals in Gaza. Violence and oppression toward homosexuals in Islamic societies aren’t unheard of dude, you know this. The article I posted has a narrative of a gay man who lives in Gaza. He says Hamas agents go undercover to catch the gay men. Why do you think that is?
 

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No one said there was a mass movement to kill homosexuals in Gaza. Violence and oppression toward homosexuals in Islamic societies aren’t unheard of dude, you know this. The article I posted has a narrative of a gay man who lives in Gaza. He says Hamas agents go undercover to catch the gay men. Why do you think that is?
As I posted earlier, I dont think life as a gay person there is easy, its not easy for straight people. I just disagree with the notion that there is some sort of ISIS/KSA-style prohibition being enforced.
 

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Can you show me one case in the Islamic world where someone was given the death penalty for simply being a homosexual?
Is it necessary? They could easily just accuse them of something if they suspect them of it. It’s just like when blacks use to get lynched for things they didn’t even do.
“What is [Islam’s] judgment on sodomy and lesbianism?” said Ayatollah Ali Sistani, an influential Shiite sharia authority, when asked about the subject. “Forbidden. Those involved in the act should be punished. In fact, sodomites should be killed in the worst manner possible.”
 

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Violette the ayatollah speaks for shia Islam. btw

Is it necessary? They could easily just accuse them of something if they suspect them of it. It’s just like when blacks use to get lynched for things they didn’t even do.
In the shariah if someone is involved in prohibited acts in their private life they can not be accused. It is forbidden to dig in someone's private life or to entrap them.

Having said that if these acts become public whether adultery or homosexuality they are punishable. Their promotion is disallowed in our societies.

Aside from same sex , if a man tries that type of action on his wife or a woman asks for that act they are automatically divorced.
 

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As I posted earlier, I dont think life as a gay person there is easy, its not easy for straight people. I just disagree with the notion that there is some sort of ISIS/KSA-style prohibition being enforced.
I can assure you it’s much easier to be straight than gay anywhere really but especially in societies that prohibit homosexuality. Ill treatment of gays in Islamic societies arent exclusive to extremists. You know where gays aren’t persecuted? Israel. It’s probably the only safe haven in the Middle East for gay people. So you can nit pick all you want, but the original point still stands ;)
 

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I can assure you it’s much easier to be straight than gay anywhere really but especially in societies that prohibit homosexuality. Ill treatment of gays in Islamic societies arent exclusive to extremists. You know where gays aren’t persecuted? Israel. It’s probably the only safe haven in the Middle East for gay people. So you can nit pick all you want, but the original point still stands ;)
"You know where gays aren’t persecuted? Israel."
That is incorrect. And Im taking the words of gay, Jewish people in Israel for that, not an Islamic voice.
 

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"You know where gays aren’t persecuted? Israel."
That is incorrect. And Im taking the words of gay, Jewish people in Israel for that, not an Islamic voice.
Source? Tel Aviv is very friendly for LGBT people. As long as you stay away from ultra religious areas you won’t face persecution. They have a gay parade, theres no law prohibiting them from being gay, you can be openly gay in the military, and their liberal government promote social equality for gay people. They can’t get married but the state will recognize your marriage if you get married outside of Israel.
 

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Violette the ayatollah speaks for shia Islam. btw



In the shariah if someone is involved in prohibited acts in their private life they can not be accused. It is forbidden to dig in someone's private life or to entrap them.

Having said that if these acts become public whether adultery or homosexuality they are punishable. Their promotion is disallowed in our societies.

Aside from same sex , if a man tries that type of action on his wife or a woman asks for that act they are automatically divorced.
Thanks DR. I was referring to people being falsely accused of public acts tho. I know sex outside of marriage is also a big no no so homosexuality would always fall under that. I’m not on a witch hunt for Muslims and their beliefs. I just believe gays would have an easier life in Israel than any Islamic society. They would have to be in hiding in an lslamic society vs being openly gay in Israel.
 

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Source? Tel Aviv is very friendly for LGBT people. As long as you stay away from ultra religious areas you won’t face persecution. They have a gay parade, theres no law prohibiting them from being gay, you can be openly gay in the military, and their liberal government promote social equality for gay people. They can’t get married but the state will recognize your marriage if you get married outside of Israel.
"As long as you stay away from ultra religious areas you won’t face persecution."
The ultra-religious are not he only people with these attitudes, and its prevalent in non-orthodox controlled areas as well. Its not the lgbt oasis you are presenting it to be.
 
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