They Killed Christ Not

[Forever Light]

@Forever Light

I know you seek to find compatibility between the texts of the monotheistic faiths, but let me ask you a question I could answer affirmatively in a one word answer...

Do you believe in salvation by Grace alone, through Faith alone, in Christ alone?

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Don't rush to reply btw. As I hope to see you in heaven I pray you consider if "The Way" you are following will lead you to a true saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Thank you @Red Sky at Morning

Could we, as sinners, possibly have any other hope for salvation, other than through faith, in God and His Salvation, by His Grace alone?

Of course, the answer to that is no:

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Certainly, salvation for sinners would only be possible by the Grace of God alone. Because, not one of us could possibly ever hope to be able to claim that our works could be enough to have the power to save us. Thinking that would be foolish.

Therefore yes, it is by Faith and The Lord's Grace alone, that we can be saved, not of works, lest any man should boast.

That does not mean however that you don't have to do anything (works) and don't need to change your ways (unlike the false teachers teach people is ok to do by offering them the "quick and easy" path).

No. You still have to do the work (and we have a LOT of work to do) like Christ said.

Matthew 10:22 - "..he that endures to the end.."
Revelation - "..him that overcomes.."

Because faith without works is dead.

James
2:17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will SHOW thee my faith BY my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (liars) also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain (worthless) man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD?
2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (and God made him your example)?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS was faith (trust in God) MADE PERFECT?
2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed ONLY God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and NOT by faith only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.

"If you take the quick and easy path, as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil." - Yoda.

Like so-called christians (those who are christians in name only) do and then they too become agents of evil.

 

[TokiEl]

God has provided the once and for all sufficient sacrifice for sins.

And so it is enough to repent for past crimes in order to receive forgiveness.

But if anybody thinks they can go on wilfully sinning and still be forgiven like some (most?) of the Christians here used to (still?)think... then they got duped by a doctrine of the devil.

Of course you change and do good works worthy of God.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Thank you @Red Sky at Morning

Could we, as sinners, possibly have any other hope for salvation, other than through faith, in God and His Salvation, by His Grace alone?

Of course, the answer to that is no:

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Certainly, salvation for sinners would only be possible by the Grace of God alone. Because, not one of us could possibly ever hope to be able to claim that our works could be enough to have the power to save us. Thinking that would be foolish.

Therefore yes, it is by Faith and The Lord's Grace alone, that we can be saved, not of works, lest any man should boast.

That does not mean however that you don't have to do anything (works) and don't need to change your ways (unlike the false teachers teach people is ok to do by offering them the "quick and easy" path).

No. You still have to do the work (and we have a LOT of work to do) like Christ said.

Matthew 10:22 - "..he that endures to the end.."
Revelation - "..him that overcomes.."

Because faith without works is dead.

James
2:17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will SHOW thee my faith BY my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (liars) also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain (worthless) man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD?
2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (and God made him your example)?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS was faith (trust in God) MADE PERFECT?
2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed ONLY God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and NOT by faith only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.

"If you take the quick and easy path, as Vader did, you will become an agent of evil." - Yoda.

Like so-called christians (those who are christians in name only) do and then they too become agents of evil.

All Christians who claim the Gospel should preach the whole Gospel.

The Bible makes a clear distinction between salvation and eternal rewards.

We are indeed through faith, in God and His Salvation, by His Grace alone.

We will be rewarded, or have to face shame and loss based on the works we do now.

I would encourage anyone who is a Christian to consider how they may feel if they found themselves in the presence of the Lord in a week or so and were asked what they had done with the time, talents and people they were given.

 

[TokiEl]

The Bible makes a clear distinction between salvation and eternal rewards.

To not be blotted out of the Book of Life is salvation and an eternal reward.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

To not be blotted out of the Book of Life is salvation and an eternal reward.

1 Corinthians 3

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[TokiEl]

The Kingdom of God is not communism where everyone is equal (and some more than others).

Your works will follow you and will be rewarded accordingly.

But to think that God will turn a blind eye to continued sins and give a heavenly pass just because you believe in Him... ?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The Kingdom of God is not communism where everyone is equal (and some more than others).

Your works will follow you and will be rewarded accordingly.

But to think that God will turn a blind eye to continued sins and give a heavenly pass just because you believe in Him... ?

I value holiness as much as you, I think. Sin brings consequences and discipline, loss of joy and loss of rewards.

 

[TokiEl]

I value holiness as much as you, I think. Sin brings consequences and discipline, loss of joy and loss of rewards.

I think this is the core problem of Christianity today.

Christians who continue in sins since they think they are saved still...

Well i've raised my concerns about it and let's just say i'm glad i'm not the Judge.

 

[Forever Light]

Romans
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
3:24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;

4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of The Law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham (the "True in Faith"); who is the father of us all,
4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before Him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

"that are past"

Therefore the Gospel Message makes clear the need to repent and stop sinning.

 

[floss]

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[TokiEl]

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God made man. And God atoned for man.

What do God want from man ?

Love and a little time.