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Kung Fu

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The US has to do the military work to retrieve the oil. Hello. All the rest is just puppeteering from a distance.
Okay, if the US has to do the military work then why are they giving Israel so much aid in military packages?

You also never really answered the question. Why give billions to a country, which you claim is for destabilization purposes, when the US is the one that does all the destabilizing as evident in them funding ISIS, invading Iraq, invading Libya, and fueling the fires in Syria?
 

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Okay, if the US has to do the military work then why are they giving Israel so much aid in military packages?

You also never really answered the question. Why give billions to a country, which you claim is for destabilization purposes, when the US is the one that does all the destabilizing as evident in them funding ISIS, invading Iraq, invading Libya, and fueling the fires in Syria?
Because that is what they do. They do the same stuff in China with the Triads there. The CIA loves to "divide and conquer" so that they gain control of nations and install governments that do their bidding. Much of that is related to increased military spending also and the so called "Military-Industrial-Complex". The business of war is lucrative by selling weapons to various countries as well.
 

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Because that is what they do. They do the same stuff in China with the Triads there. The CIA loves to "divide and conquer" so that they gain control of nations and install governments that do their bidding. Much of that is related to increased military spending also and the so called "Military-Industrial-Complex". The business of war is lucrative by selling weapons to various countries as well.
Again it makes no sense in this case because Israel offers nothing in terms of financial or resource gain to the US and in reality it's the exact opposite. The US does all the spending and work but yet only Israel seems to benefit. Also, why only give Israel billions and billions when you could have given it to the other puppet governments they already had in place in the region? And this is not taking into account all the horrible things Israel has done to the US such as the USS Liberty incident.

The more you look into it the more it makes no absolute sense what you're saying at least in terms of economical gains for the US.
 

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Again it makes no sense in this case because Israel offers nothing in terms of financial or resource gain to the US and in reality it's the exact opposite. The US does all the spending and work but yet only Israel seems to benefit. Also, why only give Israel billions and billions when you could have given it to the other puppet governments they already had in place in the region?

The more you look into it the more it makes no absolute sense what you're saying at least in terms of economical gains for the US.
It basically being done in diametric opposition to what Americas best interests are. Its being done to benefit the Zionists and their plans and the few sellout politicians who enable this current course of foreign policy.
 

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It basically being done in diametric opposition to what Americas best interests are. Its being done to benefit the Zionists and their plans and the few sellout politicians who enable this current course of foreign policy.
That's exactly what I'm saying. When you just glance it or if your average person looks at the situation they really have no clue as to why the US does the things they do when it comes to Israel because they see the US get nothing in return for the things they do for Israel. But the more seasoned individual knows why and when you know the history of Zionism and the recognize the people who run institutions of influence within the US things start making sense.
 

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Again it makes no sense in this case because Israel offers nothing in terms of financial or resource gain to the US and in reality it's the exact opposite. The US does all the spending and work but yet only Israel seems to benefit. Also, why only give Israel billions and billions when you could have given it to the other puppet governments they already had in place in the region? And this is not taking into account all the horrible things Israel has done to the US such as the USS Liberty incident.

The more you look into it the more it makes no absolute sense what you're saying at least in terms of economical gains for the US.
OK I was curious about US foreign Aid so I have looked at the stats. Turns out that Afghanistan receives the most with 5 Billions. Israël is second with around 3 Billions.

Just type the countries in the field at that site:

https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd

The reality is that the US sends a lot of money to a bunch of countries. There is nothing very suspicious about that.
 

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OK I was curious about US foreign Aid so I have looked at the stats. Turns out that Afghanistan receives the most with 5 Billions. Israël is second with around 3 Billions.

Just type the countries in the field at that site:

https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd

The reality is that the US sends a lot of money to a bunch of countries. There is nothing very suspicious about that.
The only reason Afghanistan has been getting any kind of foreign aid is because they not only bombed the country into smithereens but they also need the government there to stay in power so that the Taliban don't take over. Another thing to note is that if you were to add up all the money Israel has gotten compared to Afghanistan you would see that Israel blows it out of the water. Also, the 3 billion Israel gets isn't exactly 3 billion but more in the ball park of 14-16 billion (we can't have tax payers know that can we). "The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in adjusted for inflation aid between 1948 through the end of 2012".

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/comment-page-1/

Also, no one said the US doesn't give a shit ton of money to a bunch of other countries the question is why do certain countries that don't benefit the US in any shape and or form receive so much foreign aid ;)? It's very suspicious but you'll only see it if you let go of your ego.
 
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The only reason Afghanistan has been getting any kind of foreign aid is because they not only bombed the country into smithereens but they also need the government there to stay in power so that the Taliban don't take over. Another thing to note is that if you were to add up all the money Israel has gotten compared to Afghanistan you would see that Israel blows it out of the water. Also, the 3 billion Israel gets isn't exactly 3 billion but more in the ball park of 14-16 billion (we can't have tax payers know that can we). "The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in adjusted for inflation aid between 1948 through the end of 2012".

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/comment-page-1/

Also, no one said the US doesn't give a shit ton of money to a bunch of other countries the question is why do certain countries that don't benefit the US in any shape and or form receive so much foreign aid ;)? It's very suspicious but you'll only see it if you let go of your ego.
I see what you mean and I'm going to have to agree with you. With Afghanistan they need their opium, with Egypt they need their oil, and etc. However, with Israel it seems that the US scratches Israel's back but yet Israel never returns the favour.

If you look at Israel and US history in terms of their relationship you'll see that the US bends over far too often for Israel and they get absolutely nothing in return. Seems very suspicious that a developed country receives the most amount of cumulative foreign aid yet offers nothing in return.
 

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Also, no one said the US doesn't give a shit ton of money to a bunch of other countries the question is why do certain countries that don't benefit the US in any shape and or form receive so much foreign aid ;)? It's very suspicious but you'll only see it if you let go of your ego.
Because the US is trying to be the world's "saviour" as well as its "police". There is nothing suspicious about it its been like that since WW2. It's not a question of ego I have nothing to gain by taking Israel's side. You on the other hand is a Muslim who has a very biased POV due to your tie to the ME.
 

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Come on now. You honestly believe the media is against "racism and fascism"?

Trump has threatened the policies that matter to the corporations that (allegedly)control America through repealing DACA, threatening the illegal immigrants that are here (cheap labor), and threatening to tax American companies that are overseas using cheap labor. These are reasons why the media is against Trump. Previous presidents (let me just say Bush and Obama since thats my lifetime) didnt share his view on these policies.

And America in general is on Israel's side. From Obama to Bush to Trump theres really nothing new going on on that front...
Trump and his daughter ivanka both use cheap overseas labor to produce their clothing lines. His threats are laughable at best when he hasn’t even bothered to rectify that situation first.
 

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If you look at Israel and US history in terms of their relationship you'll see that the US bends over far too often for Israel and they get absolutely nothing in return. Seems very suspicious that a developed country receives the most amount of cumulative foreign aid yet offers nothing in return.
Indeed. Any investor expects returns on his investment, given that the one in question is pretty heavy. So while it may seem unclear now, the big "why" will soon reveal it self.
 

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Because the US is trying to be the world's "saviour" as well as its "police". There is nothing suspicious about it its been like that since WW2. It's not a question of ego I have nothing to gain by taking Israel's side. You on the other hand is a Muslim who has a very biased POV due to your tie to the ME.
So returning to KF's original question..... what exactly IS the US getting of benefit from this one-way street foreign policy?
 

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So returning to KF's original question..... what exactly IS the US getting of benefit from this one-way street foreign policy?
Just like the majority of US aid, which goes to Africa -- not much except satisfying its "White Savior Complex" like I said.
 

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Reading an article on foreign aid and the first paragraph says total cost per year is 4trillion

Then paragraphs down claims it’s only 50billion

Can’t even get a straight answer on what the hell we spend per year, this isn’t a problem for people?

If we stopped sending everybody money we could take care of our own damn people! Stop bombing other countries and they won’t need our aid anyway.

America really is like a ducking mobster with a protection racket.
 

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I respect your answer but I would contend the African nations (which receive much less than Israel) actually need it...... the US is being played.
More like the US is playing itself when trying to come to aid people who survived the Holocaust, which in most people's minds was pretty horrific. No one is twisting their arm really there are just some Israelian lobbies that have some, limited influence.
 

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More like the US is playing itself when trying to come to aid people who survived the Holocaust, which in most people's minds was pretty horrific. No one is twisting their arm really there are just some Israelian lobbies that have some, limited influence.
The holocaust was creeping up on 100 years ago. Do you think the survivors still need support?
 
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