The Gaza Riots

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I am so so sick of having to defend my people and my country at every turn. I honestly can’t believe that there are people who are justifying Israel’s actions. One day, the truth will prevail. I believe with all my heart that one day Palestine will return to us, despite everything. That’s all I have to say.
 

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By locking them in an open air prison, named "Gaza"? They riot and want to get out, and that is somehow unjust? If only we could lock an entire population in an open air prison and they would just be quiet already!

Please.
Did you know Gaza once had a water park?


By the way, the reason there is a security fence between Gaza and Israel is because Israel got tired of burying their women and children, their mothers and fathers, who were killed in terrorist attacks. As soon as the fence went up, the attacks stopped. If Israel is provoking Palestinians by protecting their own innocent people from murder, what does that say about the Palestinians?
 

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More ways than I can care to recount and if you are truly being honest, I think you know I right. But the embassy activity didn't just co-winky-dentally happen of the day of the Nakba remembrance eh?
You know that May 14, the day the embassy opened, was also the 70th anniversary of Israel's founding in 1948, don't you?

Nakba was the day after.

And no, you aren't right. The plight of Palestinians would improve immeasurably if they would stop attacking Israel and start building something for themselves. As I said in my last post, self-preservation on the part of Israel is not a provocation.
 

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I believe with all my heart that one day Palestine will return to us, despite everything. That’s all I have to say.
I have zero doubt Sr. Serendipity tyranny will be defeated in the end.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49459.htm

Bloody Monday Every F_ _ _ _ _ g Day of the Week
By George Capaccio

"The most important aspect of our policy must be our ever-present, manifest desire to institute complete equality for the Arab citizens living in our midst … The attitude we adopt toward the Arab minority will provide the real test of our moral standards as a people. … What saddens me is less the fact that the Jews are not smart enough to understand this, but rather, that they are not just smart enough to want it." - Albert Einstein

Excerpt:
"The blood of our dead and dying brothers and sisters in Palestine covers the tiny hands of Donald Trump and his bloody-minded pal Benjamin Netanyahu. It washes over the Israeli Cabinet and the US Congress and all those sycophants in the mainstream media who see “clashes” where the world, with clear vision, sees “massacres,” and who write about “protecting Israeli security” instead of telling the truth about Israeli crimes against humanity. In an emergency meeting of the Security Council, Nikki Haley, US Ambassador to the UN, condemned Hamas for provoking the people of Gaza to launch a protracted protest against their Israeli benefactors. Israel, she intoned, has shown remarkable restraint in their effort to prevent hordes of Palestinians from crossing the militarized zone between the state of God’s kingdom on Earth and the Bantustan of Gaza, where a twelve-year-old blockadeenforced (DR: BLOCKA DEEN MEANS BLOCK A RELIGION) by Israel has left the people with little hope for the future and nothing but suffering to show for the present"
 

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You know that May 14, the day the embassy opened, was also the 70th anniversary of Israel's founding in 1948, don't you?

Nakba was the day after.

And no, you aren't right. The plight of Palestinians would improve immeasurably if they would stop attacking Israel and start building something for themselves. As I said in my last post, self-preservation on the part of Israel is not a provocation.
Of course, those dates are obviously historically intertwined. Dont try to be slick, just own it.

I agree that the Palestinians are going about this in the wrong way and I will continue to admit that which is correct and obvious. I wish you would do the same because its obvious what the Zionist regime is doing in Israel and abroad and it has nothing to do with their self-preservation. They and the Palestinians survival both depend on them stopping their lies and disinfo and coming to grips with the fact that neither side will get everything they want. So they can either accept that and move forward accordingly or continue this ridiculous broken cycle. Either way, I dont want my tax dollars going to either side until they can prove to be actors in good faith....
 

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Of course, those dates are obviously historically intertwined. Dont try to be slick, just own it.
I'm not sure what you mean. I think you were saying that the date chosen for the opening of the American embassy in Jerusalem was purposely and provocatively selected as Nakba to piss off the Arabs, but as I pointed out, the date chosen was the anniversary of the birth of Israel, which is the 14th, not the 15th. How was I being slick?

I agree that the Palestinians are going about this in the wrong way and I will continue to admit that which is correct and obvious. I wish you would do the same because its obvious what the Zionist regime is doing in Israel and abroad and it has nothing to do with their self-preservation. They and the Palestinians survival both depend on them stopping their lies and disinfo and coming to grips with the fact that neither side will get everything they want. So they can either accept that and move forward accordingly or continue this ridiculous broken cycle. Either way, I dont want my tax dollars going to either side until they can prove to be actors in good faith....
I'm not able to agree with you about the measures Israel takes to protect it's sovereignty and the safety of it's people. Israel didn't steal anyone's land, and they didn't create the Palestinian refugee problem. I know that this is impossible for people to swallow, but an objective view of the facts can lead an honest person to no other conclusion.

Since Israel was created, they have been under constant attack by their Arab neighbours, including the so-called Palestinians. Palestinian Arabs could have had their own state in 1948, but chose to attack Israel instead. And since then they've been offered their own state about a half dozen times, and each time refused, and attacked Israel, again.

The Palestinian Arabs don't want their own state as much as they don't want the Jews to have one. This used to be pretty universal in the Arab world, but seventy years in, Israel looks like it's not going anywhere, and the Palestinians are starting to look like a real drag. They would be wise to take the next offer of a state, or they may not get another chance.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean. I think you were saying that the date chosen for the opening of the American embassy in Jerusalem was purposely and provocatively selected as Nakba to piss off the Arabs, but as I pointed out, the date chosen was the anniversary of the birth of Israel, which is the 14th, not the 15th. How was I being slick?



I'm not able to agree with you about the measures Israel takes to protect it's sovereignty and the safety of it's people. I know that this is impossible for people to swallow, but an objective view of the facts can lead an honest person to no other conclusion.

Since Israel was created, they have been under constant attack by their Arab neighbours, including the so-called Palestinians. Palestinian Arabs could have had their own state in 1948, but chose to attack Israel instead. And since then they've been offered their own state about a half dozen times, and each time refused, and attacked Israel, again.

The Palestinian Arabs don't want their own state as much as they don't want the Jews to have one. This used to be pretty universal in the Arab world, but seventy years in, Israel looks like it's not going anywhere, and the Palestinians are starting to look like a real drag. They would be wise to take the next offer of a state, or they may not get another chance.
"How was I being slick?"
Because the date of Israeli statehood and the Nakba are obviously entwined as one was a product of the other.

"I'm not able to agree with you about the measures Israel takes to protect it's sovereignty and the safety of it's people."
The surest way for Israel to establish safety for its citizens is to stop violating international law at the expense of the Palestinians.

"Israel didn't steal anyone's land, and they didn't create the Palestinian refugee problem."
I think you know better than this. You can say that you feel the land was rightfully theirs and they have reclaimed what you feel they should have, but to say the land hasnt been (and continues to be) stlen is a rediculous contention even the Zionists themselves dont promote. They basically say "Yeah, we are taking it, but its ours and we are taking it back." At least that position is halfway honest.

"including the so-called Palestinians."
Jesus Christ was a Palestinian Jewish man and rabbi, but nice try?
 

UnderAlienControl

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Israel didn't steal anyone's land, and they didn't create the Palestinian refugee problem.
No matter how much proof is provided, even from senior officials inside the Israeli government at the time, you refuse to accept the fact that the 1967 Six Day War was in reality nothing but a flat-out land grab. Israel tripled in size in 6 days. And they haven't stopped their encroachments at all since then. And let us not be so naive as to think that that action wasn't also in part to grab and secure more of Jerusalem.

'The Temple Mount Is in Our Hands!' Hope Reborn for the Third Temple
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/2017/may/six-day-war-victory-rekindled-hope-for-the-third-temple

From another article (secular vs. religious) on the subject of the Temple Mount:
'Moshe Dayan asked, “What do we need this whole Vatican for?'

Six Day war: By June 10th, Israel had possession of all of Palestine
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/six-day-war-by-june-10th-israel-had-possession-of-all-of-palestine-1.3107677

"On the morning of June 5th, 1967, Israeli war planes destroyed the entire Egyptian air force on the ground, winning the Six Day war in its first hour."
This was a sneak attack that forced a war on it's neighbors to capture their lands. International law states that land may not be taken and kept after war as it incentivizes warfare. What's Israel's excuse? Again: rogue state...

Israeli Settler Colonialism and Occupation Fact Sheet
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-settler-colonialism-and-occupation-fact-sheet/5640901

 
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Shalom.Kiwi - The Gaza clashes: 10 things the media isn’t telling you or asking
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The mainstream media in NZ and elsewhere is currently awash with bias, ignorance and misinformation about the conflict on the Gaza border that resulted in the deaths of 60 Palestinians. Here are 10 points you are very unlikely to hear:

1. This was not a protest against the opening of the American embassy in Jerusalem. There have been 6 weeks of reported and well-orchestrated riots on the Gaza border. These were always intended to culminate on the 70th anniversary of what the Palestinians call the “Nakba”, or the “catastrophe”. This was when the modern state of Israel was born, under the auspices of the UN, and its Arab neighbours instigated, and lost, a war to eradicate Israel.

2. Neither are the riots against the blockade of Gaza (imposed by both Israel and Egypt as a security measure). If they were, it would make little sense for the Gazans to set fire to the gas pipeline and infrastructure that delivers fuel and gas from Israel to Gaza, or to burn the terminal that receives humanitarian aid.

3. The seemingly innocuous label of “protest” disguises the fact that Hamas’s “Great March of Return” was in fact an attempted infiltration of the border that, had it succeeded, would have led to a massacre of Israeli civilians. Hamas explicitly urged participants to breach the border and slaughter as many Israelis as possible. One of the places Hamas attempted to breach is adjacent to the kibbutz of Nahal Oz, just a few hundred yards from the border — a dash that could be achieved in 5 minutes or less by those intent on slaughter. Hamas circulated information showing the shortest routes to Israeli communities over the border, and urged participants to bring knives and guns.

4. Not only were there knives and guns, Gazans brought meat cleavers, fence-cutters, rocks, Molotov cocktails, grenades, kites with incendiary materials that set fire to Israeli farmland, and set explosive devices at the security fence.

5. The IDF dropped leaflets on Gaza, telling them to stay away from the border, and rang bus companies to tell them not to take people to the border. As photos and footage clearly show, the IDF used tear gas to repel the attacks, as well as rubber bullets.

6. The IDF has reported that 50 of the 60 reported to have been killed were members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, both terrorist organisations and recognised as such in New Zealand.

7. The Gazan Ministry of Health (ie. Hamas) has reported that 6 minors were killed by gunshot. If this is so, why were children brought to volatile riots that the IDF told Gazans to stay away from?

8. While any loss of civilian life is regrettable, the numbers – 36 among the 40,000 who were estimated to have amassed at the border, and 1,359 said by the Ministry to be wounded from live bullets, – clearly demonstrate that the IDF exercised restraint and did not indiscriminately apply a shoot to kill policy.

9. Can any person condemning the number of deaths offer a suggestion as to what non-lethal measures can be effectively deployed against intended mass border breaches and massacres? In just over one hour, the IDF recorded five explosive devices at 12:53 p.m.; another bombing attack five minutes later; six terrorists taking cover among the rioters at 1:15 p.m., opening fire at IDF soldiers; another shooting attack at 1:30 p.m., and another 15 minutes later, this time by eight armed terrorists; three explosive devices detonated at 2:09 p.m.

10. Hamas, which oppressively rules Gaza, is recognised as a terrorist organisation around the world, including in New Zealand. It is backed by Iran. The IDF has reported that Iran, which repeatedly calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said it would pay every participant $100, and Hamas has forced women and children to participate in the riots. East of Gaza city, Hamas announced that Israeli soldiers were fleeing their positions, even as the IDF was reinforcing them. No responsible government which values the sanctity of life would encourage or force its people into such a situation.

Hamas’ tactics, including its targeting of Israeli civilians and use of civilian shields, are well-documented. Gazans are actors in a gruesome theatre, dying and being maimed to provide Hamas with staged photo opportunities with the aim of isolating Israel, and boosting its own flagging popularity. Media and politicians, including New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who condemn Israel while uttering not a word about Hamas nor calling for the Gazans to refrain from violence, have fallen prey to this cynical propaganda. Whether through laziness, ignorance, the bigotry of low expectations, prejudice against Israel or a combination of these things, such elites embolden a savage terrorist organisation to continue with its path of destruction, and are complicit in the inevitable loss of life.
"Hamas has forced women and children to participate in the riots. East of Gaza city, Hamas announced that Israeli soldiers were fleeing their positions, even as the IDF was reinforcing them. No responsible government which values the sanctity of life would encourage or force its people into such a situation."

It bears repeating.
 

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Yesterday was not some happy anniversary. Water and hats in Gaza, right...that would do the trick...
Propaganda also is always used by both sides in every single war that ever happened... Focusing on one side, while both use same tactics...Pot kettle and so on.
Yeah sounds like propaganda to stage a bigger war
 

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It was 70 anniversary jews got Israel back for themselves, common sense tells things aren't going to go well that day, people expect Palestinians to roll over and die, im happy they don't, and at this point after decades of genocide i see no evil if they use some guerrilla tactics...Cutting one single event from middle of war just to paint one side black...pathetic...
 

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Oops, I mean the protests.

Don't believe any news you see coming out of Gaza. It's been proven over and over that Hamas lies and the media colludes and enables them.

This is what Hamas is posting on Facebook. Bring your guns and knives! Why isn't CNN or RT reporting this?

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Here's a "protester", dressed as a woman, carrying a bomb. The tire fires are to create smoke to obscure the attacks on Israel. They're also launching kites with firebombs attached, designed to set whatever they can on fire on the Israeli side. Can't see why anyone would think these were violent events. though.

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Here's one of the kinds of slingshots they are using. These are weapons. A rock or bomb launched from this could kill someone. Someone using this to attack the IDF is asking for a bullet. Another thing you won't hear from the media is that almost all those who have been killed at these riots are Islamic militants.

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But, other than all that, these are totally peaceful protests. Bring the kids.

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And just because I love Pallywood productions so much, here's the latest offering.


It's a miracle. Healed by the power of protesting.
 
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