Origins of Freemasonry, is it Satanic?

Awoken2

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I don't think I've seen you post one valid point about anything. All your replies to me are full of personal attacks, and strawman arguments. That tends to mean that a person doesn't have a clue. And if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way,
It's funny isn't it? The drugging of children, paedophilia, spirit cooking, the human cake, drug use.

Hey just put it in a song and It's fine.

Freemasonry in the music industry.

 

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"So it's no surprise the people who think Masons and Satan are the same thing have nothing to say."

I don't presume to know as much about Freemasonry as you, but I had a very clear thought. The devil is described as both Satan and Lucifer in the Bible. Growing up I didn't understand why.

To say I do now would be to over stretch my human awareness but I think I have an example that helped me understand a bit.

ISIS were masters of Asymetric Warfare. There would be an explosion and a firefight suddenly break out at one end of town - everyone would dash to the scene, and meanwhile, the other side of town they would roll in with their vehicles and take over.

In the same way, nasty attention grabbing, Satanism fills the headlines and attention over at VCF. People rush over to oppose this obvious evil.

The Hegelian Dialectic is not wasted here. People react to opposites.

If Satanism is anti-human, chewing up and spitting out kids and stars without remorse, its "opposite" in terms of PR is not automatically Biblical Christianity, but any system that raises and promotes the value of the individual.

As such, the trucks streaming in at the other side of the spiritual town are full of Gnostics, Humanists, Rosicrucians and Freemasons.

Too few people realise that the solution to the darkness of the Satanic elites is not the false light of Lucifer, but the true light of Jesus Christ.
I've read some of the arguments about Lucifer in the Bible. But I don't think I've heard that metaphor before. It's an interesting way to sneak in some dogmatism though. The fact of the matter is, Jesus is also the morning star. The true light as you put it, is supposed to be so much brighter than anything. Satan the deceiver has nothing on it. So the idea that everyone is just getting tricked is kind of silly.

In the bible, Satan is said to blind the minds of unbelievers. It's not a two front attack. It's an attack on one front. So if you are a non-believer than Satan has you under his spell. If you believe in Christ, he doesn't. Very simple. There's not a dynamic web of illusions to get to the real Jesus. Pretty sure that's not how Christianity works.

Personally speaking. Lucifer is just another name for a God. But Satan represents something earthly. So Satan isn't even technically a God than. Maybe a Demi God. I see no reason to fear something that isn't even a true God.
 

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It's funny isn't it? The drugging of children, paedophilia, spirit cooking, the human cake, drug use.

Hey just put it in a song and It's fine.

Freemasonry in the music industry.

What's Masonic about it? They ripped off Alice in Wonderland. A book written by a Christian Deacon BTW
 

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What's Masonic about it? They ripped off Alice in Wonderland. A book written by a Christian Deacon BTW
Here, try this one. Your obviously not to good at identifying your own symbology.

 

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Here, try this one. Your obviously not to good at identifying your own symbology.

The freemasons don't have dominion over animal symbolism. Also in the Bible, Jesus is referred to as Lion of the tribe of Judah.

I'll bet you can't find one good source about Masonic animal worship.
 

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All humans have the same, specific amount of chromosomes (46). If we didn't have 46 chromosomes, we would be a completely different species.
We would.
So what do you think he's talking about, with addition of two more? Maynard, I mean.
 

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We would.
So what do you think he's talking about, with addition of two more? Maynard, I mean.
I don't really know, Tool's lyrics are pretty weird and that song mixes a few different concepts. But to me, the song seems like it's more so about a spiritual and mental progression rather than a literal genetic one. The song is about people transcending into a higher state.
 

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I don't really know, Tool's lyrics are pretty weird and that song mixes a few different concepts. But to me, the song seems like it's more so about a spiritual and mental progression rather than a literal genetic one. The song is about people transcending into a higher state.
Yes, on the face of it, sure... he's quite the emo navel-gazer. He's good at it. But 46 and 2 is a pretty literal idea. With all the work that is being done (and that has been done already) with DNA, there are actual possibilities out there that the mad scientists have been working pretty hard on, since the 90s (at least).

EXCERPT FROM
How Artificial Chromosomes Could Transform Humanity


"AHCs could also give humans new capacities altogether. Stock speculates about a range of futuristic enhancements, including the ability to see ultraviolet light, or navigation in the dark by a system of sonar similar to that employed by bats...."

Link is in the title of the article, if you're interested. Crazy stuff but they've already experimented with the additions on mice. If a person opted for this kind of enhancement though, would they still be human? Hmm.
 

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The freemasons don't have dominion over animal symbolism. Also in the Bible, Jesus is referred to as Lion of the tribe of Judah.

I'll bet you can't find one good source about Masonic animal worship.
I never suggested they have dominion over animal symbolism but the Skull and Bones Society have more than tenuous connections to the goat. (Riding the goat as part of their initiation, worshipping the Baphomet)



I would imagine there would be a much higher proportion of animal headed party guests at a 322 gathering judging on this Chris Brown video.


Eyes Wide Shut also has references towards this practice.
 

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Personally speaking. Lucifer is just another name for a God. But Satan represents something earthly. So Satan isn't even technically a God than. Maybe a Demi God. I see no reason to fear something that isn't even a true God.
So lucifer and God are the same being but lucifer and satan isn't ? I starting to believe you are actually mason, somebody had to wash your brains inside out....
 

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I never suggested they have dominion over animal symbolism but the Skull and Bones Society have more than tenuous connections to the goat. (Riding the goat as part of their initiation, worshipping the Baphomet)



I would imagine there would be a much higher proportion of animal headed party guests at a 322 gathering judging on this Chris Brown video.


Eyes Wide Shut also has references towards this practice.
Skull and Bones aren't Freemasons though
 

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So lucifer and God are the same being but lucifer and satan isn't ? I starting to believe you are actually mason, somebody had to wash your brains inside out....
Lucifer is Gods light. According to my interpretation of the Bible.

Maybe it's not me, it's you

Taxil's hoax
Léo Taxil (1854–1907) claimed that Freemasonry is associated with worshipping Lucifer. In what is known as the Taxil hoax, he alleged that leading Freemason Albert Pike had addressed "The 23 Supreme Confederated Councils of the world" (an invention of Taxil), instructing them that Lucifer was God, and was in opposition to the evil god Adonai. Supporters of Freemasonry contend that, when Albert Pike and other Masonic scholars spoke about the "Luciferian path," or the "energies of Lucifer," they were referring to the Morning Star, the light bearer, the search for light; the very antithesis of dark, satanic evil. Taxil promoted a book by Diana Vaughan (actually written by himself, as he later confessed publicly) that purported to reveal a highly secret ruling body called the Palladium, which controlled the organization and had a satanic agenda. As described by Freemasonry Disclosed in 1897.
 
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Lucifer is Gods light. According to my interpretation of the Bible.
At least you honest, i hope you aren't done with your interpretations, and at some point will walk an extra mile to figure out why rest of humanity would disagree with your interpretation.

Masons didn't invent the chess board. It was invented by the Persians
I don't know who invented it, but i know who is using it and what it represents...
 

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At least you honest, i hope you aren't done with your interpretations, and at some point will walk an extra mile to figure out why rest of humanity would disagree with your interpretation.



I don't know who invented it, but i know who is using it and what it represents...
The rest of humanity?

"The point is that Morning Star was a name for Lucifer before his fall, and there is no inconsistency with two very different beings called by the same name. Lucifer was a creature of beauty and power. Christ is God, the Creator, beautiful and powerful beyond measure, the one Lucifer rebelled against. But the name Morning Star is not tainted—it is Satan who is tainted. Obviously this is the case, or Morning Star wouldn't be used of Christ as it is in Revelation 22:1-15, nor used in a positive way as it is in 1 Peter 1 and Revelation 2."

I can find plenty of Christians who agree with me.
 

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No but I think it's interesting. And it supports my last comment. About Skull and Bones being a completely different secret society.

I liked this quote from the link.

"When I took my obligation as a master mason — incidentally, with my three younger brothers — I recalled the value my own father attached to that Order. But I had no idea that I would ever be added to the company of the Father of our country and 12 other members of the order who also served as Presidents of the United States. Masonic principles — internal, not external — and our order's vision of duty to country and acceptance of God as Supreme Being and guiding light have sustained me during my years of government service."
 

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The 27th president went by "Old Bill" during his Yale days but later earned the nickname "Big Lub."

Taft also received the honorary title of "magog," meaning he had the most sexual experience while in the secret club, according to Alexandra Robbins at The Atlantic.

Young Taft probably found entrance into the club rather easily. His father, former Attorney General Alphonso Taft, cofounded Skull and Bones as a Yale student in 1832.

Many years after graduation, Taft ended up joining yet another secret society when he became a Mason in 1909, about a month before his inauguration.

The 1912 record book "Proceedings of the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of the State of New York" mentions that Taft "in his high and influential of President of the greatest and mightiest Republic of the world" was applying Masonic principals in his attempts to handle world affairs.
 
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