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You know the mind of God? I always considered God beyond human comprehension.
Prophetic Expectations
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God is fuming with fire and fury because the world seeks to destroy His heritage. And i'm not kidding.
Zechariah 12 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day,” says the Lord, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.’ 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.
7 “The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."
We are living in a 2000 year parenthetical Gentile period. In the 2000 year period from Gen 12 through Acts, Israel was the head and, except for, maybe, the last 25 years of Acts, the Gentiles weren't even prominent enough to be considered the tail. Even then, the Gentiles were part of Israel's program. Now, it's the Gentiles' turn.The Gentiles are the Head and there is essentially no Israel, at least in God's eyes. Israel became Loammi, not My people, based on the prophecy of Hosea 1, because they didn't accept Christ.
Are there any descendants of Jacob left in the world? Only God knows. What are the positions of the Khazarian Jews? Are those Jews who use the Satanic Talmud accepted by God? Considering Christ's attitude towards the Pharisee's traditions, I can't see how. The Pharisees weren't accepted because of their reliance on their horrible traditions and the Talmudic Jews are 10 times worse. Is there a remnant today? I would think there must be but, since everything is Gentiles, maybe not.
All in all, those occupying the land seem to be a fake Israel, in a fake occupation of the land, due to a fake fulfillment of prophecy in 1948.
When God decides it's time for the land to be occupied, that fake Israel will be gone. I think there is a great possibility that every Israelite that ever lived will be there and that the time will revert back at least 2000 years. ALL Israel must accept Christ before He will return (see Mt 23:39). ALL Israel will be saved (Rom 11:26).
Are there any descendants of Jacob left in the world? Only God knows. What are the positions of the Khazarian Jews? Are those Jews who use the Satanic Talmud accepted by God? Considering Christ's attitude towards the Pharisee's traditions, I can't see how. The Pharisees weren't accepted because of their reliance on their horrible traditions and the Talmudic Jews are 10 times worse. Is there a remnant today? I would think there must be but, since everything is Gentiles, maybe not.
All in all, those occupying the land seem to be a fake Israel, in a fake occupation of the land, due to a fake fulfillment of prophecy in 1948.
When God decides it's time for the land to be occupied, that fake Israel will be gone. I think there is a great possibility that every Israelite that ever lived will be there and that the time will revert back at least 2000 years. ALL Israel must accept Christ before He will return (see Mt 23:39). ALL Israel will be saved (Rom 11:26).
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Romans 11
25"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
27And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. 29For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
30Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, 31so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. 32For God has consigned all men to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all."
You gave no explanation of why you posted Rom 11, but, since that is usually where the mid-Acts Dispnsationalists live, I assume that's your purpose. In any case, Rom 11 is meaningless as proof that the Assembly (so-called church) started in Ac 9. Why, because, in Acts, Israel was preached to as much after Rom 11 was written, during the last of Acts, as it was before.
Romans was written about the time of Acts 20. Nothing changed after this partial hardening. Paul kept going to the Jew first .As late as Ac 28:3-9, Paul was still performing healing and miracles. In Ac 28:20, he says, in Rome, that, for the hope of Israel, he is bound with chains. Then, at the end of Acts 28, he spends the whole day witnessing to Israel (Pharisees). The ONLY purpose of the Gentiles being part of this, since Ac 10, was to provoke Israel to Jealousy, so Israel might convert as a nation. Every Gentile that was saved during Acts became part of Israel, through the figure of grafting into an olive tree. The Gentiles had NOTHING of their own, during the entirety of Acts. The end of Acts was the same as the beginning of Acts - trying to convert Israel to accept Christ, so Christ would return and Israel's Kingdom of Heaven would enter in. Nothing worked. Therefore, in Ac 28:28, the salvation of God was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles. Israel was set aside and does not exist as a nation today, in God's eyes. Also, all the gifts (including healing, withstanding serpent bites, etc.) and everything else belonging to Israel was set aside in Ac 28:28.
ALL of Acts was Israel, from the upper room, where only Jew were present, to the end of Acts 28, where Paul was still going to the Jew first. After Acts, it's the total opposite. It's now ALL Gentiles. The Jews are just a passing thought. Fake Jews falsely in the land, due to a fake fulfillment of prophecy. The proof that Acts 28:28 is the dividing line that we're supposed to rightly divide as per 2Tim 2:15, is that it's the only point since Gen 12 where there's pure Israel on one side and pure Gentiles on the other. The other 2 points that dispensationalists use, Ac 2 and Ac 9 or 13, are fake because, in both, ALL Israel exists on both sides of these phony dividing lines.
One second before Paul pronounced Ac 28:28 to those Pharisees, it was 100% Israel in God's eyes, just like it had been for 2000 years before that. One second after, it's 100% Gentiles in God's eyes, just like it has been for 2000 years since then. Acts 28:28 is the only place since Abraham in Gen 12 that Israel immediately ceased being #1 and was entirely replaced, as #1, by the Gentiles.Therefore, it the only place that needs to be rightly divided = correctly cut, as per 2Tim 2:15. If we don't correctly cut it and remove the rules and directions found in the Israel part, we will find contradictions and will easily become confused, as about 99+% of Christendom experiences whenever they open their Bible. God isn't the author of confusion - people are. If we rightly divide, correctly cut the scriptures, according to 2Tim 2:15. we are approved unto God and we need not be ashamed. So, assuming that's true, the reverse must also be true. If we DON'T correctly cut God's Word. we ARE NOT approved unto God and we MUST feel ashamed.
2Tim 2:15
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
As an Acts 28 dispensationalist for 30 years, I've always known that right division was very important, but recently I've realized that, beyond Jesus Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection, the most important thing to understand and perform is Right Division. I know this sounds terrible but, if you DON'T rightly divide, your knowledge of your calling, your hope, your rules, and your specific directions, is ZERO. Without right division, you know nothing concerning yourself that is true beyond your salvation. Maybe, for many, just knowing Christ is enough. However, If you want to know what YOU can expect in the afterlife, at best, you'll only find it in Paul's last 7 books, those written after the Ac 28:28 dividing line. These are Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. These are the only pure Gentile books, the only ones where you'll find that, unlike any other people in the Bible, your afterlife can be in Heaven, where Christ now sits at the right hand of God.. Forget Acts and the Rapture. The "Appearing", found only in Paul's post-Acts books, is far, far better than the Jewish rapture. If you stay in Acts, you're crippled by confusion.
Don't believe the rubbish that every saved person immediately goes to heaven when they die. It's an unfortunate lie kept alive mainly by unknowledgeable denominational preachers. There is absolutely no Biblical proof of this. If it were true, the entire necessity of resurrection would be null and void. Every saved person that has ever died is still asleep in hades, the grave, waiting for the resurrection.
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Well you are of course wrong.
But you are entitled to your opinion but it does not look good on the books saying shite like this.
I am 100% right. Who cares what it looks like "on the books"? Truth is truth. It's a moot point, though, since, in God's eyes, the Nation Israel hasn't existed for about the last 1950 years. If any of those so-called Jews want to get saved, they must believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, just like us. Since there is no Israel, in God's eyes, they are essentially Gentiles. The only exception would be the remnant, if there is one today. I would guess there is one. God said there's always a remnant. But I would bet that the remnant is made up of Jacob's descendents, not Khazars, and that none of the remnant has a copy of either one of the obviously Satanic Talmuds.
Look the Jews are an obstinate and religious incompetent people.
Still God promised the Patriarchs that He would be their God forever and God do not break a promise. Soon He will pour out His spirit on the religious inept Jews and they will know that Jesus Christ is their Messiah.
He's their God and He's our God, but, during this 2000 year period, Israel is nothing special, nothing like they were in the previous 2000 years. They are all individuals today, like we are. They are not a nation, in God's eyes. They are now Gentiles. Those Talmudic Jews, which, as I understand, are the majority, are the worst of the worst of the worst. They are much worse that the Pharisees. Read Mt 23 and magnify it about 1000%. Any group that substitutes oral traditions for the Bible are a den of vipers. The Talmud is garbage and anybody that would use it for doctrine is garbage, and God knows it, for sure.
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Rev 2:9
"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Everything Christ says in that verse spells TALMUDIC JEWS!!!
"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Everything Christ says in that verse spells TALMUDIC JEWS!!!
The Jews have wandered and withered without a land of their own for about 2000 years and were almost annihilated during the genocide known as the Holocaust. They had come to the end of their line with no help in sight.
It is an absolute miracle that a handful of Holocaust survivors came together and turned the wastelands of Israel into a thriving high tech civilisation in just 70 years while defending against Arab attacks and terror.
Anybody somewhat awake ought to understand that the Jews could not possibly pull this off by themselves.
And as i said the Jews are religiously incompetent so i agree with you that their Talmud and man made traditions are trash.
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Sorry, but, from my perspective, one should avoid mistaking history for hagiography, and, if it needs to be pointed out, it wasn't Arab terrorists who murdered Count Folke Bernadotte. Neither were they Arab terrorists against whom Albert Einstein, the great and incredibly awesome Hannah Arendt and other then-prominent Jews wrote, when, in a 1948 editorial to the New York Times, they said this:
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine ...
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 ... [Jewish] terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem."
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A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 ... [Jewish] terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem."
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As I see it, crypto-Fascists of the Israeli far right, including Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman, are now backed by and with the full force and provision of American arms. "God," said Napoleon, probably cynically, "is on the side with the biggest cannons," or something to that effect, so some of us, no doubt jaded by realpolitik and iconoclastic by nature, are disinclined to read "miracle" in all too mundane, but granted sometimes certainly tragic and remarkably triumphant, events.
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Things are moving fast now.
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At this point in time, Evangelical televangelists are going to get on my nerves....i will have to close my eyes and grit my teeth through it all! Hahaha
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That fine line between "I've got it all figured out, buy my DVD" and "nothing going on here" is a hard one to walk!
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Haha....they are going to push Isaiah 17:1 ad nauseum
Why did you not report that the Jewish authorities condemned the Deir Yassin massacre during the civil war in Mandatory Palestine ?
The conflict between Arabs and Israelis broke out into a full fledged civil war and some Jewish hot headed whipper snappers attacked an Arab village and massacred the inhabitants. Absolutely disgusting and condemned by all Jewish authorities.
But you forgot to report that didn't you ? Or are you pushing an anti Israel agenda ?
But Damascus is being destroyed. That has never happened before and lo and behold it is happening.
What is so funny about that ?
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I'm not writing a history book, but neither will I sit passively by while you reduce Palestinian Arabs, many of whom I consider my fellow Christians, by the way, despite my self-imposed exile from their doctrinal sheepfold, to terrorists. "Terrorist," as the bumper sticker says, "is what the big army calls the little army."
I don't usually push agendas: rather, I respond to them. What is more, I just quoted prominent Jews, chiefly Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt, the latter originally non- or anti-Zionist, being one of my all-time favorite writers and intellectuals, who decried the massacre in their New York Times editorial. A question rebounds to you: I see you are clearly able to say "Arab" but are you at all capable of saying "Jewish terrorist" in the same sentence, or are they merely "hot headed whipper snappers," and then having only existed in the past tense, as you would seem to have it? I can say both, by the way, because I don't confuse Israeli history -or its present, for that mater- with hagiography, which is a point I was trying to make.
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@TokiEl: "The Jews have wandered and withered without a land of their own for about 2000 years and were almost annihilated during the genocide known as the Holocaust. They had come to the end of their line with no help in sight.
It is an absolute miracle that a handful of Holocaust survivors came together and turned the wastelands of Israel into a thriving high tech civilisation in just 70 years while defending against Arab attacks and terror.
Anybody somewhat awake ought to understand that the Jews could not possibly pull this off by themselves.
And as i said the Jews are religiously incompetent so i agree with you that their Talmud and man made traditions are trash"
You tug at the heart strings and tease out emotional tear drops about the pioneering spirit of Holocaust survivors in the Holy Land. Your history is, however, grossly blinkered . . .
Have you forgotten the Jewish Diaspora that had lived in the Muslim World for centuries?
You know, the bit of the world Jewry that wasn't subject to pogroms, attacks and Holocausts !?
The historical fact remains that even if the Third Reich had managed to wipe out the Jewish presence in Western Europe, Jewish communities living amongst Muslims would still have survived to preserve the essential character of Judaism.
I don't necessarily agree that the establishment of the State of Israel or the restoration of the Jewish community back into the Holy Land is 'God's work'
1] Jews were already living in Jerusalem under the the [Umari Covenant] signed by the Islamic Rashidun Caliph Umar that guaranteed a Jewish presence in Jerusalem, in perpetuity. Your post purports to portray the Jewish presence in Jerusalem only starting after the horror of the Holocaust, when survivors made their way to the Holy Land !? Historically, this is nonsense.
2] The land they found wasn't a "wasteland" but had families of Arabs, Jews and Christians living there and operating their farms and orchards, there.
3] I don't consider the establishment of the current State of Israel as the fulfillment of Bible prophesy, as you do. Israel exists because the Middle East is politically weak due to the presence of a myriad of colonial Arab nation states that are imperial vassels of either the United States or leading European powers, the latter also being authors of the Sykes-Picot settlement
In other words, Israel is the inevitable result of geopolitically favourable conditions. Had the Ottoman Caliphate managed to hold itself together into the 21st century, there would have been no Israel.
It is an absolute miracle that a handful of Holocaust survivors came together and turned the wastelands of Israel into a thriving high tech civilisation in just 70 years while defending against Arab attacks and terror.
Anybody somewhat awake ought to understand that the Jews could not possibly pull this off by themselves.
And as i said the Jews are religiously incompetent so i agree with you that their Talmud and man made traditions are trash"
You tug at the heart strings and tease out emotional tear drops about the pioneering spirit of Holocaust survivors in the Holy Land. Your history is, however, grossly blinkered . . .
Have you forgotten the Jewish Diaspora that had lived in the Muslim World for centuries?
You know, the bit of the world Jewry that wasn't subject to pogroms, attacks and Holocausts !?
The historical fact remains that even if the Third Reich had managed to wipe out the Jewish presence in Western Europe, Jewish communities living amongst Muslims would still have survived to preserve the essential character of Judaism.
I don't necessarily agree that the establishment of the State of Israel or the restoration of the Jewish community back into the Holy Land is 'God's work'
1] Jews were already living in Jerusalem under the the [Umari Covenant] signed by the Islamic Rashidun Caliph Umar that guaranteed a Jewish presence in Jerusalem, in perpetuity. Your post purports to portray the Jewish presence in Jerusalem only starting after the horror of the Holocaust, when survivors made their way to the Holy Land !? Historically, this is nonsense.
2] The land they found wasn't a "wasteland" but had families of Arabs, Jews and Christians living there and operating their farms and orchards, there.
3] I don't consider the establishment of the current State of Israel as the fulfillment of Bible prophesy, as you do. Israel exists because the Middle East is politically weak due to the presence of a myriad of colonial Arab nation states that are imperial vassels of either the United States or leading European powers, the latter also being authors of the Sykes-Picot settlement
In other words, Israel is the inevitable result of geopolitically favourable conditions. Had the Ottoman Caliphate managed to hold itself together into the 21st century, there would have been no Israel.